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Whips: Please explain
« on: November 20, 2012, 06:22:52 pm »

Why exactly are whips such reportedly amazing weapons?
I tested it in the arena (1 adventurer (i controlled) vs several assorted beasties), and i didn't see much value in it compared to an Axe or Sword or Hammer.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 06:28:39 pm »

Because they have a very low contract surface area which means that the entire mass of the whip is focused on a very small area which makes it behave like a lightsabre because it can exert such a high pressure. This as been brought up time and time again because any calculations involving the whips take the total mass into account and not he mass of the whip ends.
They're very good against armour because of this.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 06:47:43 pm »

Those other weapons work very well against beasties mostly because beasties often don't have much in way of armor. Whips in this game can be as effective as axes at dispatching enemies, and whereas axes might run into a roadblock in the form of armor, whips have no such obstacle.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 08:14:52 pm »

Whips would probably function a lot better/realistically if they were made of leather instead of metal.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 12:37:39 am »

Whips would probably function a lot better/realistically if they were made of leather instead of metal.

Indeed. In real life (and simulated to some degree in DF) the tip of a (leather) whip can break the sound barrier; that's about 700 mph (1100 km/h) and that's what causes the 'crack' of a whip. Leather traveling that fast can cut through skin and muscle; steel traveling that fast can cut through entire limbs. The only reason that doesn't happen in DF is because it's simulated as blunt damage and fleshy limbs don't have [SEVER_ON_BREAK]
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 02:04:59 am »

Whips would probably function a lot better/realistically if they were made of leather instead of metal.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 02:12:33 am »

So yes, on regular animals there is no conferable advantage.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 02:22:21 am »

Whips would probably function a lot better/realistically if they were made of leather instead of metal.
Grand master goblins.

I doubt it can get to the speed at which leather whip can.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 07:57:49 am »

Compare against helmets and you'll notice a.difference! :)
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 10:49:41 am »

I love the 2nd top comment: "THIS is the whip used in Dwarf Fortress."

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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 11:28:40 am »

If you ever got hit by a whip's tip ... you know HOW much it hurts (and how long it takes to heal), and believe me, you stay AWAY from ANY kind of whips automatically in your future life.
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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 11:38:25 am »

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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2012, 12:38:04 pm »

The eagle guts strikes the Adamantine Clad Warrior through the candy full helmet, tearing the skull and mushing the brain within!

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Funnily enough, I did actually go around in adventure mode killing people with eagle guts in the exact same way you mentioned.

It's incredibly eerie really.

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Re: Whips: Please explain
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2012, 01:26:10 pm »

Whips would probably function a lot better/realistically if they were made of leather instead of metal.
Grand master goblins.
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