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[Loud Whispers]

To be fair, many social movements like urbanization have only been possible with the advent of technological progress.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

North Korea hasn't really reverted to anything, they never had a modern level of industrialization. The 90's were their resulting Malthusian Collapse.

[Flying Dice]

To be fair, many social movements like urbanization have only been possible with the advent of technological progress.

True, but in this context not entirely applicable. A society can be backward and anachronistic in political and social terms without being technologically stunted and vice-versa, even if the original development of said technology originally went hand in glove with social progress. Just look at the United States! Uh, I'm talking about the continued use of the Imperial system of measures, of course. Of course.

There's also the note that urbanization has its roots with the development of agriculture, which is about the oldest paradigm shift of the human condition. Granted, much more recent improvements have made large cities much more viable (and much more densely populated cities possible), but genuine cities (even if they seem tiny to modern eyes) have existed for thousands of years, including under the rule of governments far more despotic than that of North Korea. In short, social and technological progress are loosely related, not 1:1 matching changes.

[Onlyhestands]

OR worst case: It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

Yeah, it could get a lot worse than it is now

[Owlbread]

North Korea hasn't really reverted to anything, they never had a modern level of industrialization. The 90's were their resulting Malthusian Collapse.

They had a reasonable level of industrialization back in the 70s and 80s when they had a fair amount of active factories and mines and stuff. That all went out the window in the 90s when Warsaw Pact/Eastern Bloc financial support dried up.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

North Korea hasn't really reverted to anything, they never had a modern level of industrialization. The 90's were their resulting Malthusian Collapse.

They had a reasonable level of industrialization back in the 70s and 80s when they had a fair amount of active factories and mines and stuff. That all went out the window in the 90s when Warsaw Pact/Eastern Bloc financial support dried up.

I don't think any of that actually went away. They just didn't expand to keep up with their increased population.

[DWC]

North Korea hasn't really reverted to anything, they never had a modern level of industrialization. The 90's were their resulting Malthusian Collapse.

They had a reasonable level of industrialization back in the 70s and 80s when they had a fair amount of active factories and mines and stuff. That all went out the window in the 90s when Warsaw Pact/Eastern Bloc financial support dried up.

I don't think any of that actually went away. They just didn't expand to keep up with their increased population.

Nah, majority of their factories have closed because they no longer have their backers offering so much subsidized coal and fuel and whatnot. There are whole swaths of abandoned factories and rust-belt type areas in Yanggang and elsewhere.

[Owlbread]

In one book I read, there was a passage about a North Korean hospital during the famine in the 1990s where they used beer bottles as IVs. Most of the medical equipment came from a visit by Czechoslovakians in the late 70s/early 80s or something.

[Funk]

That was around about the time they switched to the military first policy , so stuff like making new tools went out the window.

edit untill about 74 the north was ahead of the south in jusy about every field, food,iron tools,army,houses mainy due to them trading, after all they had a massive heavy industry base. 

[AlmightyOne]

It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

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OR worst case: It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

Yeah, it could get a lot worse than it is now

You both should have quoted my whole post. If you read it thoroughly, I clearly meant what would happen if there was a coop, and how that's better than what the country is going through thanks to Kim jr.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

In one book I read, there was a passage about a North Korean hospital during the famine in the 1990s where they used beer bottles as IVs. Most of the medical equipment came from a visit by Czechoslovakians in the late 70s/early 80s or something.

I saw beer bottles as used as IVs during the Inside North Korea documentary, so that hasn't changed much.

[Loud Whispers]

You both should have quoted my whole post. If you read it thoroughly, I clearly meant what would happen if there was a coop, and how that's better than what the country is going through thanks to Kim jr.

Hey guess what.

It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

That's exactly what I did.

And on a quasi-related note, should people start backing up their claims of 'might,' 'may' and 'possibly?'

[Onlyhestands]

It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

...

OR worst case: It can get EVEN worse than now, which is highly improbable.

Yeah, it could get a lot worse than it is now

You both should have quoted my whole post. If you read it thoroughly, I clearly meant what would happen if there was a coop, and how that's better than what the country is going through thanks to Kim jr.

That was my exact point. A coup could very well make things even worse.

[Just Some Guy]

No threats from North Korea recently. Also, check this out.

[misko27]

No threats from North Korea recently. Also, check this out.

That isn't so much "no threats" as "fewer threats then statistically average".