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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Solymr]

I know that fatfinger feel :v
Resetting vote. This time use a pointer

[birdy51]

This one seems like a given. You get what you plan on using when you promote. O.o

[Blade Master Model 42]

Can we also make it so mages always start with fire? I don't see why they get to choose between them fire thunder and wind.

[Solymr]

Meh.

START TALKING ABOUT PROMOTED CLASSES EVERYONE

[Blade Master Model 42]

I'll pontificate on my ideas once I get done with dinner after work.

[Rolepgeek]

SO HOW 'BOUT THEM MOUNTAIN BANDITS HMMM?

[birdy51]

I like their Heavy Swing Ability that they get from the newer book. It's a pity that they don't have it in the old one as I find it thematic and it gives proper squishing power.

[Rolepgeek]

Oh, and for bandits and their promotions, how about having cliffs count as mountains/peaks? That way, they actually can move over something beyond hills in a special way.

[Xanmyral]

They actually already do, or at least that's how we've been playing. You just don't see it because we've had a grand total of... Two people play bandits, me and SC, and I don't think either of us have seen cliffs. If it wasn't for me being dead set on playing a thief in the next FEF game I'm in, I'd play a bandit again. Either Tubby Guru or Axe Apostle.

[Rolepgeek]

Hmm. Alright then. They should probably get something else new, though, considering I keep hearing them called useless compared to berzerkers.

[SeriousConcentrate]

...We can move over cliffs? >.<

[Xanmyral]

Who, Mountain Bandits? Mountain Bandits actually are one of the only classes to get an AOE ability. Its just hilariously situational and only does ten damage (unaffected by anything) to a straight line away from him.

@SC: You didn't know? Well, uh, hurrah for learned knowledge. I recall Haspen stating as such earlier somewhere, either in the FEF Spin-Off or a game here. I'm pretty sure the spin-off though, since they had a bandit.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I'll pontificate on my ideas once I get done with dinner after work.

Oh shit, here we go. Splitting these up to keep it from being a wall of text worthy of Alexander.

Spoiler: The Wyvern Promotes (click to show/hide)

Both of these are shite. Wyvern Knight is broken beyond repair as far as scatter goes, and Wyvern hunters do... Up to 15 extra damage against other flyers, and only while mounted. Goodie. I think we can all agree that should be reworked.

Here are my proposals:

Wyvern Hunter:
Pierce
Passive Effect
On a skill% chance each hit, the character with this skill completely ignores the DEF of the enemy.

An offensive flip of Great Shield, this seems fairly balanced to me already.

Wyvern Knight:
Flying Brick (Someone can feel free to come up with a less shitty name)
Passive Effect: All effective Damage against the unit with this skill is reduced to 2x instead of 3x. Additionally, the unit is no longer Vulnerable to Thunder Magic.

"But Blade!" I hear you cry, "Paladins have a better version of this skill by getting Nullify for free!" Dig the wax outta those ears and listen up. The Paladin has only a small fraction of the weapon encyclopedia effective against them. It's a useful skill, to be sure, but giving the same to Wyvern Knights would be incredibly broken, primarily because the Wyverns are (at least before Flying Brick) vulnerable to no less than 73 different weapons. Let that sink in for a moment.

Alright, moment over. Now, in addition to reducing that number to 61, by removing Thunder Magic from the equation, it changes the effective damage bonus from 3 to 2 times. Without taking up a character skill, and without taking anything good away from the Wyvern Knight. Think about it.

Spoiler: Mage Promotes (click to show/hide)

Sages: Easy. Take away their staves, and give them S rank Anima sub and B rank Anima. Done and dusted (apart from replacing Call Magic with Memory Magic, because goddamn).
I noticed that Mage Knights promoting from Troubadours get the shaft though, since Mage Knights will always get Physical Training, only those promoting from mages will grab Nature Spirits. So that's kinda crap. Someone should figure that out. Just not automatically giving Mage Knights Physical Training seems like a good idea... Except Magic Weapon or whatever is garbage without it, unless you wanted to play a Muscle Wizard for some reason.

Spoiler: Fighter Promotes (click to show/hide)

Forest Knights get Beartraps, as described earlier in the thread. Whee, Beartraps!

Warriors can have... I dunno. We left Conceal on Fighters, maybe just leave Warriors alone? Otherwise give them Rough and Tumble, like we were thinking of for Fighter Heroes.

Spoiler: The Bandit/Pirate Tree (click to show/hide)

Berserkers need Critical Eye and that's the end of it. Hell, I'd say to give them Single Stroke if it weren't for their ability to tell terrain restrictions to fuck off and also smash any obstacle in one hit.

Swashbucklers are terrain dependent, but what can you do? It's a pretty powerful ability if you ignore that, so I guess it's fine.

Mountain Warriors... There are a lot of ways to approach them but terrain dependency isn't the answer here. No mountain has appeared in FEF ever so far. I'm sure they will one day... But even then, the boulder thing is just kind of odd and seems out of place. Give them an ability to increase their DAM by sacrificing hit incrementally. That'd be way better.

Spoiler: Archer Promotes (click to show/hide)

Snipers should have Sniping changed to the increased Range and nothing else.

Battle Mages should have the Imbue Arrow ability be reworded slightly, as the way it is currently written, it can be interpreted as ignoring the users Strength (or Magic, as the case may be), which makes it crappy.

Spoiler: Fencer Promotes (click to show/hide)

Shadow Swords can keep Magic Hunter. Unseen Strike can be changed slightly to keep the nullification of defensive terrain, and to deal the extra damage whenever Duelist would come into play.

Crusader can maybe get their +5 Res extended to anytime they use their chosen Sword Subcategory, not just against Dark Magic. Yes, no?

Also, sidenote, the thief and spy trees should get an ability to detect traps, and rogues and Master Spies should be able to disarm them. Master Spies get ze traps, as discussed earlier. We'll go back over the available traps before finalizing it, naturally.

[Rolepgeek]

People promoting from Troubadours presumably get a second Physical Training, is all, I believe.

[Blade Master Model 42]

People promoting from Troubadours presumably get a second Physical Training, is all, I believe.

...Eh. I guess.