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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Solymr]

Staves and performances not having WT wins, so it's likely we'll remove that stat from them.

Now for a poll about crossbows since there's been a difference of opinions on where to go with them.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I'm pushing to have crossbows be unable to follow up, combined with a substantial WT reduction and better general stats. To me, crossbows suffer from a similar issue in comparison to druidic. They do some specific things fairly well but outside of those use cases they are badly hampered. My goal in making them single shot is this will allow for better parameters to make them attractive to use even for units that don't put all of their eggs into the crossbow basket.

I think a general buff isn't going to solve the problem, and I think applying STR to weapon WT is a poor idea that could wind up with crossbows needing str as much as any other bow, which invalidates one of the reasons to use them in the first place.

[Solymr]

To be clear about STR to WT, they wouldn't need as much STR to reduce the penalty to 0 as to increase the damage from a bow to crossbow standards, so they wouldn't invalidate having a STR growth, but change it so that it would allow for people that have lower STR to be on par of high STR bow users.

[Swordstar]

So I voted for the last option partially cause I don't care but also cause I don't think any of these options will fix crossbows. The can't follow up option will just pigeonhole crossbow characters into tank builds, the str to con option just means you're going to end up using regular bows for basically everything except killing fliers, and the buffs across the board doesn't fix the fundamental problem of crossbows being a gimmick and nothing more, imo. It honestly would probably be better to just scrap them and come up with something new.

[Powder Miner]

As I discussed in the Discord, I agree — fundamentally altering the relationships of stats to combat is something that strongly damages a weapon category. It pigeonholes builds and either becomes busted once late game happens if you’ve improved a stat’s relationship to combat, or becomes absolute shit if you’ve worsened them, because the way the game is designed to progress takes these normal stat relationships into account.

A category that fundamentally exists by altering stats will not see success. I personally suggest either going with shortbows for piddlier 1-2 range bows, or (and honestly I like this idea more) powerful and heavy but still 2-range composite bows.

[Praefectus Screptum]

I am against the one-shot thing, that won't be fixing the issue at all. That won't solve the issue related  to damage, even if you boost the MT a tad, you just need to look at other classes and how much damage they can dish out even with rank C-B weapons if they have an okaish STR for their level. So what it currently needs is just a buff to pack a punch and an option to upgrade crossbows, so you won't end up tossing your previous crossbow away every one/two chapters.

[Solymr]

After the poll and much discussion in Discord I think what's gonna happen with the Crossbow subcategory is that it's going to be changed into a Composite category. Composite bows in general will be heavier and stronger than Recurve while maintaining good accuracy and will mostly be restricted to range 2. There will be a few crossbow weapons among these but they won't make the most of the category to allow for people who spec into this category to have their STR not be useless, with the option to use the fixed MT crossbows if needed.

Thank you all for your contribution ;V

[Solymr]

But to be sure I'll make another poll.

[Sirus]

Well, now I know for sure I'll never use future editions.

[Solymr]

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[Swordstar]

Sirus: What's your problem with the change? Do you think there's a good way to fix crossbows without this change? What way would you suggest doing that then?

[Powder Miner]

Well, now I know for sure I'll never use future editions.

It doesn't seem extremely feasible to swear off future editions, which do include the results of the discussions over some of the particularly janky or controversial or broken aspects of the game that you'd be consigning yourself to dealing with if you ran a game, over the replacement of the crossbow category, which barely saw use because its gimmick was fundamentally broken in terms of the progression of the game.

[Swordstar]

I think he had previous issues with the changes as well, like Mage Knights not getting magic weapons anymore.

[Haspen]

I think he had previous issues with the changes as well, like Mage Knights not getting magic weapons anymore.

* Haspen cries dramatically in the corner over this.

[Solymr]

Since that came up let's hear opinions about this: Magic Weapons having dual rank, meaning for example if a Wind Sword is Thrust/Wind (B), both a swordman with B in Thrust or a mage with B in Wind can use them. This could also mean a difference in how their damage is calculated.