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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[That Wolf]

So like I was saying, we are equal with bacteria. Thanks science.

Evolution is the boss, your beneviolent god was eaten by something that evolved to eat a god, y'know just to survive.

And this is why I reserve the right to demand proof behind a belief and will call you names if you don't produce. Many people have deeply held beliefs, but understand none of the underlying mechanisms thereof.

Bring proof.

Proof for what? Anything?

[Vilanat]

This is something that "surprise" me a new each time. usually those who doesn't "believe" in evolution are the ones who don't actually understand it.

Also, i think that if Christianity wants to stay relevant, it should accept evolution. an omnipresent/omnipotent god could have set the starting conditions to reach the intelligent human being end result (Or mid result, if you want to keep people chained to specific conduct of behaviors that would evolve them into a superior spiritual beings).

[TD1]

Most religions do accept evolution, including the Catholic church. However, many individuals within said religions still deny it anyway.

[timferius]

Most religions do accept evolution, including the Catholic church. However, many individuals within said religions still deny it anyway.

This is exactly it. There are many areas that church-goers are divided on. Just because the heads of the religion rule one way or other, it always falls under the "humans are fallible, it's actually this way" argument.
I'm not a huge fan when people take Religion over science, though I tend to be "live and let live" about it, as long as they don't try to force the belief on others.

[MaximumZero]

Proof for what? Anything?

If you make a specific claim, back it up or, frankly, I'm going to think that you're full of shit.

If you say, "The sky is actually a crystalline dome with water behind it," and don't produce verifiable, testable, repeatable, peer reviewable proof, you're wasting everyone's time. Same goes for, "There is a god," and "this itemized list is true." At the very least, do some research on your own beliefs to find out why you believe what you do and bring that.

[That Wolf]

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[TD1]

Or as long as they don't restrict scientific advancement. For example, the use of mitochondria from another person to cure a disease in babies has been labelled unethical.

Restricting medicine. How very medieval.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11386898/Three-parent-babies-Why-is-the-Church-refusing-to-alleviate-human-suffering.html

It mentions Church of England. The Catholic church was against it too.

[That Wolf]

The trouble with fiction.. is that it makes too much sense. Reality never makes sense.

Now who said that

Proof for what? Anything?

If you make a specific claim, back it up or, frankly, I'm going to think that you're full of shit.

If you say, "The sky is actually a crystalline dome with water behind it," and don't produce verifiable, testable, repeatable, peer reviewable proof, you're wasting everyone's time. Same goes for, "There is a god," and "this itemized list is true." At the very least, do some research on your own beliefs to find out why you believe what you do and bring that.

Agreed but do you want to go on a fucking field trip to understand any simple thing people say about science. Or do you only belive in the experiments you do yourself?
do you read a science journal and say "bullshit prove it to me"
Gey fucked your a human an undoubtedly belive in something untrue because you read it somewhere.
Do you think maths exsists??

[MaximumZero]

Looks like I touched a nerve. Way to be civil.

[TD1]

The trouble with fiction.. is that it makes too much sense. Reality never makes sense.

Now who said that

Proof for what? Anything?

If you make a specific claim, back it up or, frankly, I'm going to think that you're full of shit.

If you say, "The sky is actually a crystalline dome with water behind it," and don't produce verifiable, testable, repeatable, peer reviewable proof, you're wasting everyone's time. Same goes for, "There is a god," and "this itemized list is true." At the very least, do some research on your own beliefs to find out why you believe what you do and bring that.

Agreed but do you want to go on a fucking field trip to understand any simple thing people say about science. Or do you only belive in the experiments you do yourself?
do you read a science journal and say "bullshit prove it to me"
Gey fucked your a human an undoubtedly belive in something untrue because you read it somewhere.
Do you think maths exsists??

The science journal provides empirical evidence. It lists experiments made by others who have used empirical evidence.

Existential claims of the unprovable would not be found in it.

[That Wolf]

Looks like I touched a nerve. Way to be civil.

Haha im always swearing I should tone it down. You didnt hit a nerve I just think your sentiment is lies, you cant say you dont believe in false ideas.
Do you believe stars are like our star, the sun? Or do you need to fly to one to believe its a star?
Or is sombody saying that they are stars enough for you?

So for some, being told god exsists is all they need to hear.
Just like me and stars

[Vilanat]

Most religions do accept evolution, including the Catholic church. However, many individuals within said religions still deny it anyway.

This is exactly it. There are many areas that church-goers are divided on. Just because the heads of the religion rule one way or other, it always falls under the "humans are fallible, it's actually this way" argument.
I'm not a huge fan when people take Religion over science, though I tend to be "live and let live" about it, as long as they don't try to force the belief on others.

I am a firm fan of Science over Religion! Science is taking strains of crops and planting the best to have better yields, religion is praying god will make the field yield more.
Religion is praying for god to rain water on us, Science is developing desalinization to actually save our future lives.

When africans choose islamic traditions of personally washing their dead over the science that tells them how Ebola spreads, they indirectly affect me. Every religion has an example of behaviour that directly or indirectly affects everyone in this world and usually not to the better, so no, "Live and let Live" in regard to permitting ignorance and backwardness in a world that its entities are dependent on each other is not acceptable by me.

[TD1]

Looks like I touched a nerve. Way to be civil.

Haha im always swearing I should tone it down. You didnt hit a nerve I just think your sentiment is lies, you cant say you dont believe in false ideas.
Do you believe stars are like our star, the sun? Or do you need to fly to one to believe its a star?
Or is sombody saying that they are stars enough for you?

So for some, being told god exsists is all they need to hear.
Just like me and stars

No. The stars exhibit identical properties, relative to their size, as our sun. Empirical evidence.

Someone claiming God exist is just so much air. There is no physical evidence.

[That Wolf]

So ona personal note. Where do you think I stand in this argument

[Descan]

That Wolf, if you're not going to be serious, and not going to try and make sense, I'd call that trolling, and I'd ask you to leave.