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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Descan]

Nnnoo, the message is pretty clearly "These guys aren't Muslim because if they were Muslim, they would have read the Qur'an and agreed with my interpretation."

[Vilanat]

No, It says that Islamic state terrorists aren't real muslims because Islam is (In different words but same meaning) a religion of peace. which is BS on both accounts.

Edit - descan beat me to it..

[penguinofhonor]

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[RedKing]

In its ideal form, it is a religion of peace. Hell, ALL religions are, in their ideal form.

We're a long time past having specific deities of war (other than Hinduism).

I think it was "These guys are bad Muslims because if they had read the Qu'ran, they'd know what I just said was from the Bible, not the Qu'ran".

[TD1]

The concluding line is "ISIS is not Islam, terrorism has no religion."

That doesn't sound like he's simply saying "These guys are bad Muslims because if they had read the Qu'ran, they'd know what I just said was from the Bible, not the Qu'ran".

[Vilanat]

In its ideal form, it is a religion of peace. Hell, ALL religions are, in their ideal form.

We're a long time past having specific deities of war (other than Hinduism).

I think it was "These guys are bad Muslims because if they had read the Qu'ran, they'd know what I just said was from the Bible, not the Qu'ran".

Sorry, i'll call BS to that as well. Judaism and Islam are not religions of peace. you could argue christianity is, since it has a rather general progressive and peaceful theme, but Islam? hell no. Muhammad himself slaughtered and beheaded his enemies.

[Loud Whispers]

In its ideal form, it is a religion of peace. Hell, ALL religions are, in their ideal form.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD," screamed the cultist on his weekly blood donation drive.

[RedKing]

Christianity has the same violent Old Testament basis as Judaism (and Islam, for that matter). Doesn't mean the modern practice necessitates violence.

All major religions have violence in their history, even as they strive to create a peaceful, "good" society (what constitutes "good" being relative to each religion)

In its ideal form, it is a religion of peace. Hell, ALL religions are, in their ideal form.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD," screamed the cultist on his weekly blood donation drive.

See, if people would just donate their blood to Khorne regularly, we wouldn't have to have all these messy forced donations. (And I did make a note about war gods, and the lack thereof)

[TD1]

You could sort of argue Lucifer is that kind of idea, though. I mean, he's an angel, but the way I see it is that it's the difference between Cronus and Zeus. In other words, negligible to us mere mortals.

[Loud Whispers]

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Jokes aside though the death for apostasy rule is kinda shit

[RedKing]

It's not restricted to Islam either (see: Spanish Inquisition).

[Loud Whispers]

Spanish inquisition is dead, death for apostasy lives in Islam. Malaysia especially disappoints me, they need to sort out their shit they're an otherwise good country.

[TempAcc]

The new testament marks the key difference between judaism and christianity. Its where Christianity becomes its own thing and God stops being treated as a militant god of the jews and more like an actualy benevolent god.

And on Islam, yea, I never bought the idea of Islam somehow being a religion of peace. The only reason Islam even exists is because of war (Islam is one of the only religions that was almost exclusively spread through war). Muhammad was a warlord above all else, and slaughtered people that didn't agree with Islam (a religion he orchestrated himself based on christianity and judaism) and where willing to fight him, and stablished his special tax on anyone who didn't agree with him but didn't want to fight. Islam has never been a religion of peace, not before, not now, and probably never will be.

[Loud Whispers]

The new testament marks the key difference between judaism and christianity. Its where Christianity becomes its own thing and God stops being treated as a militant god of the jews and more like an actualy benevolent god.

And on Islam, yea, I never bought the idea of Islam somehow being a religion of peace. The only reason Islam even exists is because of war (Islam is one of the only religions that was almost exclusively spread through war). Muhammad was a warlord above all else, and slaughtered people that didn't agree with Islam (a religion he orchestrated himself based on christianity and judaism) and where willing to fight him, and stablished his special tax on anyone who didn't agree with him but didn't want to fight. Islam has never been a religion of peace, not before, not now, and probably never will be.

There were Buddhists are far west as Persia

Were

[TempAcc]

One word: Zoroastrians (not just the religion, the ethnic group as well).

Genocide and Islam are two things that have been walking hand in hand for ages.