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[Sheb]

What is this EU stuff doing in a non-EU thread? You already have your own, go there, Union imperialists!

Yeah! I wanted to discuss Amnesty international's report on the people purged in Turkey.

Not surprising, given what he already did to the military. Turkey is sliding full-on towards the Middle Eastern shithole, and that means that all competency must be purged.

I dunno, I'm not sure that Saudi Arabia could conduct such an effective purge.

[Sergarr]

Only because they've already purged everyone that could be purged. As an obvious indicator of their high degree of "purged-ness", their military sucks beyond belief despite the ridiculous budget.

[martinuzz]

In Turkey, the director of Amnesty International has been arrested on grounds of supposed ties to Gülen. Amnesty Internation is outraged.

[Antioch]

In Turkey, the director of Amnesty International has been arrested on grounds of supposed ties to Gülen. Amnesty Internation is outraged.

Remember that Amnesty International released a rapport concerning the purges in Turkey a couple of weeks ago.

[smjjames]

In Turkey, the director of Amnesty International has been arrested on grounds of supposed ties to Gülen. Amnesty Internation is outraged.

Remember that Amnesty International released a rapport concerning the purges in Turkey a couple of weeks ago.

*Report

And that doesn't seem suspicious at all. Nah. It's not like Turkey's been going and arresting anyone that criticises it or anything. Not authoritarian in any way whatsoever.

At this point, 'supposed ties to gulen', is just shorthand for 'we don't like you and/or we don't like what you are saying and/or you are criticising us, NEVER criticise us'. They might as well be yelling 'HERETIC!'.

[redwallzyl]

He couldn't be more obviously if he was calling them trotskyist and sending them to Siberia.

[Reelya]

The big news right now is ISIS attacks against Iran's parliament, in retaliation for Iran's efforts to defeat ISIS in Syria.

Russia has condemned the attacks, the west is basically "go fuck yourselves". (Iran did in fact condemn the Manchester bombing).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing

Iran's Foreign Ministry condemned the attack and compared it to an attack on Mirjaveh, which occurred about a month prior, stating: "It is advisable that all the countries that have been victims of the extremist ideology and Takfiri terrorism get united and confront it in a serious, sincere and purposeful manner."

So you do have Iran pledging solidarity against ISIS with the West, and saying that their blood is our blood, but from the other side there's not one word of sympathy for attacks. Brown people getting blown up: fuck 'em.

[smjjames]

Don't know about the entire west, Trump and the State Department did condemn it, however, Trump, in his statement, does then slam Iran for promoting terrorism and saying that they are at risk of falling victim to the same thing that they promote. As much as I dislike Trump, he does have a point, even though Iran isn't actually promoting the same kind of thing as what Saudi Arabia and others do.

[Reelya]

I'd say that same point works both ways. USA sent Col James Steele to create torture units in Iraq, who tortured people who later became part of ISIS. This guy is a regular Josef  Mengele type. Apparently one journalist went to interview him and he was calmly chilling out while there was blood everywhere and the journalist could hear screaming in the background.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/06/pentagon-iraqi-torture-centres-link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-iraq-blood-video
... "'We were interviewing James Steele in Iraq and I saw blood everywhere'" is the actual title of the second article.

the groups Iran has promoted aren't the predecessors of ISIS, so that point actually doesn't work. Hezbollah are the largest ally with Iran, and they're anti-ISIS.

[smjjames]

Yeah, we've had a long history of doing stuff which have eventually come back to bite us in the ass, often under the guise of fighting Communism.

[Reelya]

James Steele should have been retired. He was linked back in the 1980s to units who regularly did stuff like raping young girls and killing them by melting their face off with acid - they would then be dumped back in the village, as a warning to El Salvadorean villagers against supporting the rebels. The Reagan administration admitted that that kind of shit happened, but claims none of the US advisors knew about it (EDIT: despite the existence of such documents as the CIA prepared manual "operations in psychological warfare" which outlined similar tactics including targeted assasinations of public figures and activists).

Now, he got accused of similar shit in Iraq, circa 2004-2005. I just wanted to give you an idea just how much of a loathesome piece of shit this guy is. He's the kind of guy would have jumped at the chance to join the SS and hunt humans down.

[smjjames]

Yeesh, why didn't the guy get court martialed for warcrimes back then?

[Reelya]

Because Republicans. I can't answer it any better than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Steele_(US_Colonel)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/06/el-salvador-iraq-police-squads-washington

Celerino Castillo, a Senior Drug Enforcement Administration special agent who worked alongside Steele in El Salvador, says: "I first heard about Colonel James Steele going to Iraq and I said they're going to implement what is known as the Salvadoran Option in Iraq and that's exactly what happened. And I was devastated because I knew the atrocities that were going to occur in Iraq which we knew had occurred in El Salvador."

[Neonivek]

In all fairness it was probably intentional.

I mean it isn't like the US doesn't have secret trials completely separate from civilian trials that would make such instances possible especially with higher ranking individuals.

[Sheb]

I mean, not all of the Iranian leadership was classy after Manchester.