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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15585 on: April 12, 2016, 07:17:22 pm »

aaaaaaargh

what do you people even want

like seriously

i don't even...

Huh.

I have an idea.  Ish.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15586 on: April 12, 2016, 07:18:38 pm »

Is it going to make Elf and Emp gut you like a fish?
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15587 on: April 12, 2016, 07:21:13 pm »

I don't THINK so.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15588 on: April 12, 2016, 07:21:52 pm »

Well, it's not like you have far to fall if the idea does not pan out.

Give it a go.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15589 on: April 12, 2016, 07:22:03 pm »

Ooooo, I need a victim for my plot. If Alanis is a problem character, I could have a use for her.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15590 on: April 12, 2016, 07:23:05 pm »

Victim in what sense? As long as you don't destroy the Soul Gem you can basically murder Victoria as much as you want.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15591 on: April 12, 2016, 07:24:38 pm »

Well, it's not like you have far to fall if the idea does not pan out.

Give it a go.
It's mostly just redistributing action flavor... Wouldn't really deal with balance much necessarily.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15592 on: April 12, 2016, 07:24:58 pm »

I don't think flavor is the issue.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15593 on: April 12, 2016, 07:25:26 pm »

And resolve the doubling problem.  I think.


...Hmm.  Maybe I could respec Alanis to be a debuffer?  That's unrelated.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15594 on: April 12, 2016, 07:31:40 pm »

tbh, haruka's sheet is a good sheet and all but a single ability really really shouldn't give more than one summon type

pls don't make me nerf the shit out of all of her summons
like she's already got a perk and two actions devoted to them and to get them to full power requires an absolute minimum of 3.5 turns of her doing nothing but summoning and then ordering them around
edit: let it be known that i am very much not appreciating TBF right now for probably making me gut her summons of already-questionable usefulness and, ironically, requiring metagaming and absolute abuse of the system to become useful again
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15595 on: April 12, 2016, 07:38:29 pm »

speaking of summons
I have the super ultra drafty form of A_M's sheet



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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15596 on: April 12, 2016, 07:42:24 pm »

Holy hell, I provided you with several dedicated posts on how to fix her.

Okay, here's something to do, I still say you should just burn her sheet and redo it with GM supervision, but this might make it a bit better. Still probably unacceptable, but better than before.

Remove Overarching Power. Make Kinetic Slam her Basic Attack. Make all her other single-target Actions save for Gravity Well deal damage in terms of her Basic Attack like everyone else. Get a GM to give you a simpler, more balanced formula for Kinetic Shell.

pls don't make me nerf the shit out of all of her summons
like she's already got a perk and two actions devoted to them and to get them to full power requires an absolute minimum of 3.5 turns of her doing nothing but summoning and then ordering them around
Look, under the current, soon-to-be revamped, revamp, a Minion that can only be summoned one at a time has a stat-total of 26 for a Level 6 character (assuming no bonus-point Perks). If you make a single Doll Minion with stats equal to the highest value for it amongst her old summons, it would have a stat-total of exactly 26. Not only would that put her exactly in line with the current, soon-to-be altered rules, her dolls would become capable of filling out all three roles.

Plus also right now there's no summon limit, so she can have as many as she wants as long as she spend a turn summoning each.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15597 on: April 12, 2016, 07:51:46 pm »

Note for A_M: She has no action to actually summon/control her drones with, That might be an issue.

@Emp: I guess I'm just annoyed because I was quite happy with where they were before, and I can see concerns arising already with uncapped summon abilities (particularly given that Haruka has the ability to build up one huge summon instead of a bunch of little ones) which would mean that there would be a revamp of the revamped revamp and this could all be avoided if Fish would stop gaming the fuck out of everything

like we had this discussion already in IB12WAF, i thought we were done

anyway, if I could bother you, any thoughts on the updated versions of the two alt characters I have? Also thoughts on Voile, the Magic Library as Haruka's theme?
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15598 on: April 12, 2016, 08:08:40 pm »

*sigh*

Honestly, I really think you guys need to beta-test new systems before unleashing them on the masses (and I half want to volunteer), especially when you know people will be looking for loopholes.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #15599 on: April 12, 2016, 08:09:34 pm »

why does anyone need to look for loopholes though
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