I took a moment to gather information. I do that because I have to deal with people like you.
you misrepresent me
Let's use your own words then. That'll give you an advantage.
you misrepresent me
Did I? Why don't you link that post? Is it this one?
I'm not asking why you're not claiming, although thank you for such a detailed answer to that question. I'm asking why you bothered to write anything further than "no", if you had to reply at all. And why you wrote something that looks like activity and takes up people's mental space, despite saying nothing. Because I don't see what this post does for town. I can see what it might do for scum!web, however.
The point was that the initial post was fishing for information, but your post was ALSO fishing for role information, and I unfortunately screwed up the real message in the post:
i will not be volunteering information unless Forced to, as my role can determine If others are lying. Or maybe it can't, who can tell? I'm not a lie detector. the mafia will naturally assume this is a Soft/Hardclaim, and they'll be wrong. it's actually a fAkeCLAiM, NERDS!
Forced If Or I'm[/i] Soft/Hardclaim, fAkeCLAiM, NERDS!
F I S H A CLA M NERDS!
I then politely made fun of you to your face by explaining the joke, but the joke wasn't exceptionally funny. It was, however, dead, and therefore pointless.
Clams and clams and fish and clams.
You killed the joke.
The worst part is that this isn't even the issue I have with your case. It's just a needle in my side that has annoyed me. Because you're a joke murderer.
Anyway, I'm going to not misrepresent you from here on out.
I wouldn't choose to deal with your nonsense if I were scum, I'd be "reluctantly" voting Tric for having posted a weak case
Would you? This guy has some sort of weird fascination with NOT suspecting TricMagic:
Well, I guess we're approaching the 75% mark rapidly, so it's worth posting reads. In summary: I want to lynch Web, or failing that within Roden/Toony/Max.
MaxSpin: Null.
TricMagic: Null.
Toonyman: weak lean scum
Roden: Lean scum.
Webadict: scum
Weird how Max is on that list but Tric isn't, but in the reads, Tric is lower (or at the same level, depending on how you look at it.) Feels like you're putting Tric here because you can't get away with putting Tric higher, and possibly because you don't want to put him lower.
or trying to get Max out on a policy lynch
Unlikely, that'd be a recipe for disaster, as it'd make you look bad the next day.
MaximumSpin:[/b] Apparently doesn't think you really find scum D1, actions reflect that belief. Asking if Toony reads into things a lot is a bit dubious, because a) we're playing mafia and b) Max seems to be someone who likes people to read them carefully, see Kurt Cobain reference somewhere above. Lean scum.
You have previously suspected Max before, but you were hesitantly defending them.
Oh, and in case people aren't getting the picture, Max is just like this. Thinks D1 lynches are pointless and stupid, moves discussion onto his theories about that, engages abrasively wherever possible, refers to conditional judgements as "weights on a directed graph". Does this kind of thing consistently D1 as town, and presumably as scum too. N. A. I.
But, you did give a good reason for their behavior, in a way that passively defends them. Now, your actions were intended to remove them from Town that game, by deflecting onto Maximum Spin, because you realized they were anti-Town, but you didn't push that case at all. If you were going to push that as scum, you'd have this as evidence against it.
But, that doesn't really matter. It's just intended to show some of your Town behavior.
or voting Roden because it's just what's expected of me
If you were Town, you wouldn't be suspecting Roden at all. Let's follow some logic on this one.
Roden: active, claimed their role and its restrictions promptly which mafia might not want to do, lean town
Roden has followed the exact same conditions as last game, but your suspicions appear to not be the same. This is even called out by EuchreJack in the previous game:
NJW2000, because townreading Roden is outside of your meta. Plus, following your advice. 
Good. Now that there's pressure, use it by asking a question.
It's also odd because you're enticing Jack to bring pressure, which is certainly a helpful measure, as opposed to how you essentially treated Roden here. So weeeeeeird.
Your evidence on me is garbage, but that's not why you're suspicious. The reason why you're suspicious is because you don't believe your garbage.
I want you to read your reads from games 1-3.
TricMagic: Town. His role is fairly believable, and unless scum actually had his ability as a passive, they'd be making an astonishingly bold play to claim it that early. This is because it would commit them to having to guess who targeted them, and potentially counterclaiming multiple players if they guessed wrong. Claiming it this early... doesn't seem like a sensible scum play in any scenario. The rest of his play has been reasonable and aggressive, both of which I like. The rest of his play has been... well, expressed in such a confusing manner as to be indistinguishable from flailing at points. Obsession with everyone actioning him is perhaps defensible given power, but a little worrying.
EuchreJack: lean Town, perhaps only because he's isn't constantly spamming the thread with incomprehensible mafia-ese. Recent posts have been sensible if content-low and not particularly inspired. I don't find his calmness as worrying as some people seem to, but perhaps I just haven't played with him.
Toonyman: weak lean Town. very if not the most active player, quite constructive. Has mostly been pushing a not implausible case on Jack, quite quietly, seems to be working up to a lynch in the background. Not deeply indicative of alignment - someone literally forgot I exist, so I'd be a bit of a hypocrite if I suspected Toony for being unobtrusive
Vector: Weak lean scum. Hasn't done a huge amount still, would like to see more than them just pushing Metruption. Seems to be aggressively escalating in order to scumhunt; in Bay12 this is considered good D1 play in general but has certainly added to the chaos today.
Metruption: bizarre, lean Scum. Has certainly changed since my last read, and made quite a few accusations. The case against Vector was hasty but contained stuff that could plausibly be seen as compromising. Has been bouncing off Tric a bit in interactions that seem to produce more posts than progress, but I'm quite sympathetic to a lot of what they're saying - some of it is just having to respond to Tric's massive logical leaps. Their being "On the defensive" is not really helpful, and neither is their still unjustified declarations that Roden is town.
Roden: lean Scum but it might just be that they're playing town in a way I strongly disagree with. I don't agree with the justifications for their suggestion to massclaim, but I can see how they might be made from a town mindset. Hasn't pushed against anyone except Metruption, who he basically counterclaimed so was forced to pressure. Did so weakly, by inquiring into flavourtext of all things.
Toonyman: Town, claiming a daykill as mafia would be balls-to-the-wall madness in most setups I can think of. The rest of his play has been ok, didn't scream town though. This read very liable to change if the daykill does not appear.
Tric: lean town, don't think scum would be likely to claim that role though I'm not 100% on that. Has been clearer and made reasonable posts this game, don't think that's necessarily a scumtell.
Vector: Weak town lean. Mainly pushing to lynch TricMagic for percieved abnormal play looks lazy, but similar thought processes led to correct reads on Euchre last game, so hey. Response to Euchre was weak and dismissive, but this may just be how Vector tends to play when pressed for time D1. Feels a bit different to their play last game, hard to put finger on how, perhaps its more constructive discussion, less throwing around reads.
Metruption: true null
EuchreJack: highly caffeinated null, hard to get anything out of the endless replies, seems to have a preoccupation with doing a policy lynch on low postcount people. Looked like they were going to push a case hard on Toony but then almost immediately dropped it without asking any questions. This may all be standard Jack, I'm not sure.
Roden: lean scum. Decent posts and reasoning but I don't trust someone who started pushing a no-lynch in such an agenda-driven way, right off the bat. It looked like he was trying to make it happen.
EuchreJack: has claimed bodyguard, a bit hyper, steady engagement, using the gambler's fallacy... with EJ all signs point toTown.
Roden: active, claimed their role and its restrictions promptly which mafia might not want to do, lean town
Webadict: a load of random toss, but shying away from any real explicit claims in favour of "ah but I could be lying to draw the lynch". If they're scum, they can't be on particularly good terms with their scumbuddy, but hey. Null read.
Toonyman: strong engagement with the game. I don't know their scum game but imagine it's pretty powerful from their performance this tournament, so all this indicates is null.
Vector: only two posts with content, doesn't respond to questions, random votes, standard Vector D1. Throwing three votes in three posts feels a bit odd. Weak lean scum
MaximumSpin: Apparently doesn't think you really find scum D1, actions reflect that belief. Asking if Toony reads into things a lot is a bit dubious, because a) we're playing mafia and b) Max seems to be someone who likes people to read them carefully, see Kurt Cobain reference somewhere above. Lean scum.
TricMagic: claimed parity cop D1, going after easy targets of Web and Max, claimed parity cop D1, claimsthinks mafia might do a no-warning hammer D1, did I mention that they claimed parity cop D1? Even for Tric's early-claim meta, that claim cannot be townie. Scum
I've taken the liberty of highlighting the scum on your Day 1 reads, for posterity. I've left the colors out on your current game's reads, so that you can surprise us later:
EuchreJack: Town, extremely hung up on my first post in which I FoS'd him, constantly asking other people to post their reads on me, asking obviously pointless questions, I really wish this stuff was at least alignment indicative here. But nah, I don't think scum!EJ could fake this play, or would fixate so hard.
Vector: Town thus far, I don't see scum wandering in and simply announcing "scum have poison, more later". Obviously a read subject to change when we see more content.
MaxSpin: Null. I'm not going to make guesses about Max's alignment D1. Would still be very happy to eliminate them if nothing better is available.
TricMagic: Null. Aggressive focus on Roden, frustration at Webadict, very little else. I sympathise with his scumreading someone because of a claim he thinks shouldn't have been made, but the case he presented was really not good. Not enough information here to read Tric, although if the Roden thing is all they do today they'll be a prime elimination target.
Toonyman: weak lean scum, he's been defending people more than usual, I think. Has a whole lot of townreads too, but he'll do that as either alignment. No strong read on him, nor do I expect to have one D1.
Roden: Lean scum. Not much to say here, they seem to be sticking to their guns on the whole "putting people's names in a colour and doing nothing else is pressuring them" idea. Claim largely NAI I think. Need to see more content but right now it isn't looking good.
Webadict: scum. I don't trust the whole "this is a claim, actually no it isn't lol" stuff, for reasons I've explained. I don't think Web posts without an agenda - reread the last game. Max thinks they're exchanging banter about Wittgenstein or whatever, Web is actually using it as a way to communicate with their partner. His posts have reasons behind them. Also a slightly too strong reaction here followed by a refusal to actually answer my question doesn't look great. Also is engaging with Max on his philosophies of mafia, which was a good way to waste Town's time last round.
EuchreJack made a rather astute assessment, and I'm going to post it here:
I sense an aggression that was absent in other games. It's like you're trying to smear players, rather than find scum.
And I think that this is absolutely true. Look at the difference between these Day 1 reads and tell me if you think games 1-3 are trying to smear the Town reads?
The worst part is that I haven't even really gotten to the main part of your post.
I called you out for playing like this in the last game, and I'm calling you out on it now - that's the only real correspondence with R3 worth considering, so you can stop complaining about references to the last game. You're doing what a scum player who wants to coast through D1 on a reputation for wacky and aggressive play does. Or, in a very marginal case, a town player who thinks their years of experience and strong mechanical/reads game gives them the right to clown about and harm town D1. And hey, if it's the second, good for you I guess. That kind of self-belief would be nice to have.
The easiest answer is that you believed it last game. Frankly, everyone has plenty of reason to vote me, and I honestly wouldn't fault anyone Town for doing so if they truly couldn't find a better target. Also, you had me listed as null last game, soooo, I'm not sure that that's a truly accurate statement at all. I actually did a reread of last game, and I'm actually pretty sure you
never suspected me? But, if you'd like to prove me wrong, I suppose that's a fair assessment.
That's a start.
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