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[Sirus]

There's talk about the vice president, Vance, stepping up as president should the fat old man die.

This, at least, is basically how things are supposed to work - the VP steps in if the President dies. It's happened several times in US history, usually after the sitting President gets assassinated, but I can remember at least one dying of natural causes. On the face of the talk, there's nothing nefarious about it; Trump is old, not in the best health, and has had at least two people try to kill him in recent months. Him dying in office is a very real possibility.

Now, whether a President Vance would be more or less of a disaster than President Trump, that's beyond my knowledge.

[hector13]

One silver lining to that is no matter when Vance takes over, if Trump dies during his term it counts as a full term for Vance, so he’d only be eligible for one more afterwards.

[JoshuaFH]

One silver lining to that is no matter when Vance takes over, if Trump dies during his term it counts as a full term for Vance, so he’d only be eligible for one more afterwards.

Wasn't it the other way around? That the rules is someone can only be 'elected president' twice, but he wasn't 'elected president', but 'elected vice-president' and therefore can still be elected president twice more? I might be misremembering.

[hector13]

I mean I’m remembering off a tidbit I can’t even remember the source of. I think it had something to do with Ford?

Perhaps I shall look it up.

Edit: 22nd Amendment. Anybody who has served two years of a term as president, having replaced somebody else who was elected as president, can only run once more.

Edit 2: Having thought about it a teeny bit, there does seem to be a massive loophole in that. Someone can only be elected president twice (or once) but if someone were to be elected president, step down in favour of their VP, and then they stand down in favour of a different VP, the third person would still be able to be elected president twice because the first VP wasn’t elected president in the first place.

Edit 3: 25th Amendment protects from that to some extent; requires both houses of Congress to approve an appointee to a VP vacancy.

[Starver]

One silver lining to that is no matter when Vance takes over, if Trump dies during his term it counts as a full term for Vance, so he’d only be eligible for one more afterwards.

AIUI, no.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

It is totally dependant upon when they have to take over, without considering the timewise state of the office-holder they take over from.

No matter when Vance gets the position during the next stint (or before, if it's forced to happen prior to Inaugoration?), he'll get the opportunity to run in his own right in 2028. If such a takeover is in 2027+ (or if '28 is another Grover-like skip term due to failure/non-standing), there's another possible (re-)election for him in 2032. Could be up to (but not beyond) 10 years of POTUSsing.

Not that I think it matters. There'll be Vance-like people ready to step up if Vance is unable or unwilling to continue, if not beyond his level, if his side of the political spectrum continues to move over and there's no effective anchor/counter-pull. And four years could well be an eon in politics, both local and world.

Personally I hated Nancy too, for her trip to Taiwan few years ago, she nearly triggered a war that summer , she’s an ugly and disgusting warmonger from what she had done…

With respect (and I mean that, it's no insincere platitude) whatever we think of Pelosi[1] she's not the one regularly running intrusive and aggressive military exercises against Taiwan. Her going there might or might not be wise, but it's hardly a casus beli in the face of the continuing provocations from "the mainland". At worst, it was posturing, but the manufactured rage didn't rely upon it.

But I'm mindful that you're going to hear different things on your side of the Great Firewall. I've had conversations with those in China who assumed I knew all about random exam scandals, but didn't know much about the incidents around the Spratly Islands/etc.


[1] Not sure I like her, and whatever political skeletons there are in the cupboard, but there's more integrity there than in certain quarters I could name.

[Maximum Spin]

One silver lining to that is no matter when Vance takes over, if Trump dies during his term it counts as a full term for Vance, so he’d only be eligible for one more afterwards.

It's only if he serves more than half the term.

[Lord Shonus]

They switched because another spineless moderate was not what they wanted. Trump promised something other than the status quo.

Every bit of data we have suggests otherwise. Literally the only thing supporting your claim is "Well, I'm a leftist, therefore I get to decree reality". Actually talk to any of the people who switched? You get things like "I'm afraid that the new illegals will take my job" or "My father was killed by the communists back home so I'll never support a socialist" or "Trump doesn't condescendingly insist he knows what's best for me and I need to shut up and do what I'm told".

I mean I’m remembering off a tidbit I can’t even remember the source of. I think it had something to do with Ford?

Perhaps I shall look it up.

Edit: 22nd Amendment. Anybody who has served two years of a term as president, having replaced somebody else who was elected as president, can only run once more.

Edit 2: Having thought about it a teeny bit, there does seem to be a massive loophole in that. Someone can only be elected president twice (or once) but if someone were to be elected president, step down in favour of their VP, and then they stand down in favour of a different VP, the third person would still be able to be elected president twice because the first VP wasn’t elected president in the first place.

Edit 3: 25th Amendment protects from that to some extent; requires both houses of Congress to approve an appointee to a VP vacancy.

What you're looking for is in the 12th Amendment

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Anybody who has completed two terms is, under the current Constitution, "constitutionally ineligible for the office of President" and thus cannot be Vice President.

[McTraveller]

"Trump doesn't condescendingly insist he knows what's best for me and I need to shut up and do what I'm told"

 

[Eschar]

"The left just wasn't Nice enough to the people who made the choice to shift rightward so then they just had no choice but to listen to the right instead " needs to quit getting pulled out as an explanation. Stop doing MRAs' work for them damn

"Trump doesn't condescendingly insist he knows what's best for me and I need to shut up and do what I'm told"

Attributing the fact those voters have have this line of thinking to statements made by the left to those people instead of simply it being an attractive lie is an example.

[Random_Dragon]

Yeah that's a load of horseshit that only benefits the "your body, my choice" fascist cucks.