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[Pandarsenic]

Played some more today.

Too many heavies.

Taking break until Patch 120.

[Duke 2.0]

 As pyro: Huh, airblasting seems easier now and not much else.
 As everybody else: Huh, I don't think the afterburn has killed me since the patch.

[Dr. Johbson]

Played some more today.

Too many heavies.

Taking break until Patch 120.

I have also noticed this.

[returntonull]

Taking break until Patch 120.

Well actually we'd be going to patch 121, poor Valve. They'd probably planned on doing the 119 thing then going, BAM ENGINEER UPDATE IS 120, but all those silly little bugs got in the way.

[Jakkarra]

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The flamethrower does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.

[Mr.Person]

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The flamethrower does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.

Assuming every particle hits and you're at point blank range, I think it does like 70 DPS.  Well did, I think it's down to like 60 DPS. And yes, the pistol does more DPS. Everything does except the SMG. And if you get further away? Flamethrower does pitiful amounts of damage.

[Jakkarra]

Dammit, i meant SMG, not flamethrower!

[Volatar]

You all are also missing probably the biggest point in all of this:

Now you need to use the axetinguisher to actually kill people.

The axetinguisher is not a basic weapon, it is an unlockable.

Valve should not require you to use an unlockable to be able to kill people. Its just wrong. And it ruins the ability for new players to compete as pyro.

[Jreengus]

No no, it's fine because you can just use the Backburner inst- Oh...

Pyro is pretty damn unplayable now until you get one of the two unlocks.

[Myroc]

Strangely, Pyro still remains my favorite class, although its way more difficult now. Still manage to get along slightly decent, but here's to hoping they'll change it back. Sure, I understand that they want to eliminate W+M1 pyros, but this is too severe.

It's like the Repair Node all over again.

Edit: Though crits are still fucking awesome.

[Jreengus]

I never saw the problem with W+M1 pyros, they run toward you you kill them. I've never understood why people act like that strategy will result in anything other than the pyros death.

[SHAD0Wdump]

Interesting thing about M+W1 that I've found is that if you literally use it during combat, and still use your brains to set up the encounter. That it makes your movements oddly unpredictable. Most people that get branded as W+M1ers move predictably, but if you take the term literally, it actually works well.

[returntonull]

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The SMG does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.

It's still the low-man on the totem pole by about 10 points per second.

[Jakkarra]

When Nilocy gets online, i will compile my map, and we can have a little look at it.

It's not currently what you'd call PLAYABLE yet though unfortunately.

[Ampersand]

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The SMG does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.

It's still the low-man on the totem pole by about 10 points per second.

I remember when you could bind primary fire to scroll-wheel up and empty an entire pistol clip in faster than an SMG ever could.