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[sluissa]

Also an amusing thread.

Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1

Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.

VALVE, THIS NOW. So balanced, so fair, so skilled. How could we NOT have fun with these suggestions?

How about not? This changes the entire game. If they want to do something this drastic, make a new game. Or a mod, or something. I'm already not a fan of the changes as is, but at least it's still reasonable playable and I'm sure I'll adapt and get used to them. These changes as proposed, while a few aren't entirely bad, many change fundamental factors of the game and some sound like simple childishness, being angry at a class. I hate snipers as much as the next person [in their sights], but there's no reason to nerf them as far as is suggested in this post. Just as bad, the solder proposal to make an airblast like rocket is just going to give people even less reason to play the pyro, that's just a couple of the MAJOR problems i see in there.

EDIT: upon a second reading, is see you may in fact be trying to be sarcastic, to which I say, don't... odds are Valve aren't going to read suggestions from this board, but if they happen to, don't give them any pushes in directions you don't actually want them to go in.

[Duke 2.0]

 Don't get too riled up, the sarcasm was meant to show how the Pyro update was ridiculous.

[Eduren]

Also an amusing thread.

Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1

Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.

VALVE, THIS NOW. So balanced, so fair, so skilled. How could we NOT have fun with these suggestions?

How about not? This changes the entire game. If they want to do something this drastic, make a new game. Or a mod, or something. I'm already not a fan of the changes as is, but at least it's still reasonable playable and I'm sure I'll adapt and get used to them. These changes as proposed, while a few aren't entirely bad, many change fundamental factors of the game and some sound like simple childishness, being angry at a class. I hate snipers as much as the next person [in their sights], but there's no reason to nerf them as far as is suggested in this post. Just as bad, the solder proposal to make an airblast like rocket is just going to give people even less reason to play the pyro, that's just a couple of the MAJOR problems i see in there.

EDIT: upon a second reading, is see you may in fact be trying to be sarcastic, to which I say, don't... odds are Valve aren't going to read suggestions from this board, but if they happen to, don't give them any pushes in directions you don't actually want them to go in.

I think that Valve might be better at detecting sarcasm than you.

[sluissa]

I think that Valve might be better at detecting sarcasm than you.

Do you really doubt human stupidity? Would you really be willing to take a chance that the game would turn into something like that? Maybe I should have picked up on it faster, but if one person can make the mistake, any number more can. Don't say it isn't possible. I have some faith in Valve, but I really would not do anything to jinx it.

I suppose it's been cleared up now though, so I'll fade away quietly now... I was never here... woosh woosh woosh....

[Eduren]

Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?

[Pandarsenic]

I was until this update.

[Sowelu]

Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?

I'm here too, pretty much.  This update hasn't bothered me.  No update really bothered me.  The War! update made me a little leery, but I think it's still all good.  I'd rather have a constantly-changing game than a stale one, even if it means a constant stream of unnecessary nerfs and OP classes at times.

[returntonull]

Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?

They do wrong all the time. They're just very good at going, "We totally meant to do that, now look over here at all this awesome."

There's nothing outright wrong with the latest update either, it's not like it outright stops people from doing well as Pyro, it's just a whole lot of work if you're not used to playing like that, and it's a style of play none of the other classes are forced to do like the Pyro is.

Valve: Masters of misdirection, and BSing. As you'll notice the forums are all mass guessing over the Engineer stuff now, and even suspecting more Pyro changes along with.

Edit: Man, I'm just jabbering and not making very good points. Ohwell.

[Pandarsenic]

True fact: If you have a heavy stand in a corner and don't allow him to rev up or turn around until he's attacked and send a pyro at him from behind, he'll still win.

[Osmosis Jones]

Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?

Sort of; I believe valve is the sort of company that, in the long run, will do no harm, but in the short term can screw things up. For example, the scout update. Before that, the heavy was a viable, if somewhat idiosyncratic class. Immediately after the update, he was completely useless, and could be shut down in seconds by a clever scout. That said, valve took notice and fixed the problem over the next few updates.

With this update, I think increasing his skill level by promoting airblasts was a good move, but think they took away some of what made him special; that Oh Shit moment when you encounter a pyro up close has been reduced. For a class that specialises in sowing confusion and breaking up formations, reducing his ability to send people running for health was a bad idea.

[Pandarsenic]

Pyro can no longer use fire as his primary form of damage. I think that says a lot about the problems this update has brought.

[Sowelu]

Pyro's still better than he was in TFC.

[Siquo]

I was until this update.

This.

[Myroc]

Imagine if I hadn't been drunk

Can't believe I beat everyone else to it.

[Metalax]

Ah yes, who else has got one of those primevil badges. 

It looks like they have picked your date for medals by when you purchased TF2 rather than when you first played it like they say, at least if you preordered the orange box.