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[Winterbrass]

That's unfortunate. Do you have any plans to make finished stone look a bit more finished? Would be nice if they looked like tiles or at least a bit smoother.

Yeah, that's what I was asking - it would be nice if they were patterned like the screenshot that you posted.

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[Jadael]

That's unfortunate. Do you have any plans to make finished stone look a bit more finished? Would be nice if they looked like tiles or at least a bit smoother.

Also seems some of the colors are a bit off, as alunite is a light brown or yellowish color?

The smooth floors are already using just a flat shaded cube, they can't go smoother without just blurring them. I can make the rough floors rougher though:

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This has just the tops of walls done, it will take me longer to do floors.

As for alunite.

Lots of stones in DF are colored very strangely compared to their real life counterparts. Kaolinite for example is bright red in DF, even though it's a type of limestone and pale white. My main goal with this pack was for boring, gray stones to look boring and gray, while the more interesting things like malachite, bauxite, and orpiment can stand out and be as unique as they are in real life.

[Winterbrass]

My thought was that you could detail the floors/walls to look similar to Mike Mayday's graphics pack - as in, the floor tiles are smoothed but also have a pattern engraved into them. It wouldn't have to be blindingly obvious - just enough to provide more differentiation.

The rough rock looking rougher also provides starker contrast, but I was personally hoping for the smoothed stone to look more refined.

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"Alunite varies in color from white to yellow gray."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alunite

Yes, yes, I know, wikipedia. But eh.

[forsaken1111]

Yeah I'd been hoping for smoothed stone to look like a finished floor, not slightly-less-rough-but-almost-indistinguishable-from-the-natural-rock floors.

[Jadael]

Well, I can switch the sheet around so that smooth floors use the 'engraved floor' sprite I made. And then eventually when Stonesense can tell between smoothed and engraved, remake the sprites. It'll still take a while, because the floors use a non-square grid which Photoshop can't do :\

[dyze]

Well, I can switch the sheet around so that smooth floors use the 'engraved floor' sprite I made. And then eventually when Stonesense can tell between smoothed and engraved, remake the sprites. It'll still take a while, because the floors use a non-square grid which Photoshop can't do :\

well imo, with tiles this small you really cant use filters or effects to get a decent result. pixeling is really the only way to go.

[CobaltKobold]

Well, I can switch the sheet around so that smooth floors use the 'engraved floor' sprite I made. And then eventually when Stonesense can tell between smoothed and engraved, remake the sprites. It'll still take a while, because the floors use a non-square grid which Photoshop can't do :\

...? In which way do you need the non-square grid? Oh, right, the thickfloors.

Pad to square, strip out when you're not working on it?

[dyze]

We should have different sprites for
(a) Rough natural stone
(b) Detailed natural stone (ie smoothed or engraved, we cant tell them apart)
and
(c) Constructed stone (we cant tell blocks from rough)

would it not be more effective to use separate sprites for engravings and overlay them onto the stone sprites?
we want a good variety of engravings, no? soo many hours of work otherwise, doing different engravings on every single rock type..

[kaypy]

(b) Detailed natural stone (ie smoothed or engraved, we cant tell them apart)

would it not be more effective to use separate sprites for engravings and overlay them onto the stone sprites?
we want a good variety of engravings, no? soo many hours of work otherwise, doing different engravings on every single rock type..

We have sprites for engravings, but

we cant tell them apart

[DennyTom]

(b) Detailed natural stone (ie smoothed or engraved, we cant tell them apart)

would it not be more effective to use separate sprites for engravings and overlay them onto the stone sprites?
we want a good variety of engravings, no? soo many hours of work otherwise, doing different engravings on every single rock type..

We have sprites for engravings, but

we cant tell them apart

This really bothers my mind - why? The game must tell them apart somehow. When running, there simply must be some record in RAM and the information must be stored in a save file.

Anyway, I would also recommend using simple sprite for smoothed walls/floors. Stone tiles for floors and simple engraved border for walls for example.

[forsaken1111]

This really bothers my mind - why? The game must tell them apart somehow. When running, there simply must be some record in RAM and the information must be stored in a save file.

Oh I'm sure it does. They don't yet know where that information is. If you think it's so easy, why don't you sort through the *millions* of bits the game records to memory and figure it out somehow.

[Jadael]

Since DF isn't actively interfacing with Stonesense to send it information, Stonesense is using DFHack to look at DF's memory. And nothing in there is labelled. It's almost random noise at first glance. It's really amazing that we're able to do this at all; reading the memory of *other* programs isn't exactly a bread and butter programming technique.

[jonask84]

Yup, it's pretty amazing that we can do what we can do already, and it's all thanks to people like Peterix and Belal, they're the real wizards

[DennyTom]

This really bothers my mind - why? The game must tell them apart somehow. When running, there simply must be some record in RAM and the information must be stored in a save file.

Oh I'm sure it does. They don't yet know where that information is. If you think it's so easy, why don't you sort through the *millions* of bits the game records to memory and figure it out somehow.

If I made it sound like easy feat, then I appologize. I did not know that it has not been done yet, it appeared to me, that some readers say it is impossible. Damn my poor language skills.

[forsaken1111]

Ah no, I'm sure it is possible. If the data is stored in memory, which it must be, then it could be read. We just need to know where it is and what format it is stored in.