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Author Topic: Atheism Redux [READ THE FIRST POST]  (Read 90566 times)

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2010, 04:56:29 pm »

The crusades did not happen because the Muslims had a different religion.

It happened because they were different. had resources that made many European kings rich.

I think a good question would be "If there was no religion, would all those people have died?"

I think I can say yes.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2010, 04:57:57 pm »

The crusades did not happen because the Muslims had a different religion.

It happened because they were different.

Well, actually, they happened because the Christians wanted the Holy Lands.

You know, those places considered holy (ie. of religious significance) to the Christian world?
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2010, 04:58:32 pm »

The crusades did not happen because the Muslims had a different religion.

It happened because they were different.

They happened because of oil.

Can we add "You're argument isn't original" to "Arguments that are not original"?

You can't have an unoriginal argument but you can't point out unoriginal arguments either?  How the hell is that supposed to work?  This just in, it's against the law to steal but also against the law to enforce that law.

I know, isn't it beautiful?

Best part: there's nearly no such thing as an original argument.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2010, 04:59:24 pm »

Well, actually, they happened because the Christians wanted the Holy Lands.

You know, those places considered holy (ie. of religious significance) to the Christian world?

No, that was there justification.

A justification that they could have replaced very easily.
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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2010, 04:59:42 pm »

I belive the crusades were more economically motivated.

Why am i doing this...?

For what reason, do I ask, you think this? There was no economic incentive to gain, or so my (limited, mind you) research has told me.

NINJAEDIT: What, resources? You mean the resorces the Muslim traders were already TRADING to the European Kings?
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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2010, 05:01:27 pm »

The crusades did not happen because the Muslims had a different religion.

It happened because they were different.

Well, actually, they happened because the Christians wanted the Holy Lands.

You know, those places considered holy (ie. of religious significance) to the Christian world?

If you really think that kings of Europe invaded to get some sandy tombs... You are silly.

I belive the crusades were more economically motivated.

Why am i doing this...?

For what reason, do I ask, you think this? There was no economic incentive to gain, or so my (limited, mind you) research has told me.

NINJAEDIT: What, resources? You mean the resorces the Muslim traders were already TRADING to the European Kings?

Yes.

Why am i doing this...?

This whole thing is a bad idea and I am sure I am just as wrong as you/everyone else. Also, it really has no baring on the thread. So I have no idea.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2010, 05:02:15 pm »

No, that was there justification.

A justification that they could have replaced very easily.

So, you're saying that the Crusades just happened because the Christians just didn't like the colour of the Muslim's skin?

Damn, you must think that the world's rulers were as stupid as you are.
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2010, 05:03:25 pm »

Hey, can we add: No personal insults. To the rules?
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2010, 05:03:38 pm »

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Somebody cite a source about why the Crusades were fought, or drop it. Or we get a lock.


I'd add Personal Attacks, but it really shouldn't be necessary. It's the first damn bullet in the Forum Guidelines, which apply here as well as they do everywhere.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2010, 05:05:24 pm by Bauglir »
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2010, 05:05:00 pm »

Wikipedia

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The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and their campaigns were launched in response to a call from the Christian Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.
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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2010, 05:05:17 pm »

I suggest you change that to drop it because it has no real barring on the thread. And because I foresee a source war.
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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2010, 05:08:34 pm »

First Crusade: Political
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The immediate cause of the First Crusade was the Byzantine emperor Alexios I's appeal to Pope Urban II for mercenaries to help him resist Muslim advances into territory of the Byzantine Empire.

Alexio was not friends with the pope at the time, this gave the pope leverage over him.

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a Christian "just war" might enhance the wider standing of an aggressively ambitious leader of Europe as Gregory saw himself. The northerners would be cemented to Rome, and their troublesome knights could see the only kind of action that suited them.

So pope gains armies. And stops his allies from fighting each other.


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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2010, 05:09:28 pm »

So, you're saying that the Crusades just happened because the Christians just didn't like the colour of the Muslim's skin?

Damn, you must think that the world's rulers were as stupid as you are.

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« Last Edit: December 04, 2010, 05:15:28 pm by Toady One »
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2010, 05:10:27 pm »

The Transcendent Tyrant has been muted for a week for having a generally abrasive attitude in a bunch of threads and failing to heed warnings.  Please amplify your relaxed states.
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2010, 05:10:38 pm »

They didn't have TV, they didn't have phone, their only source of entertainment was probably food and (maybe) board games.

I bet war was some sort of entertainment for king back then. Also good for economy.
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