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Even so, got to ask ppl's permission to collect their data for any reason

Occam's Razor says the LEAST likely explanation would be Hamas opening fire on refugees to then blame it on the IDF.

The death toll from tank fire that hit a United Nations shelter in the Gaza Strip's main southern city of Khan Younis has risen to 12, a top U.N. aid official said Thursday.

UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini said in a post on social media that the bombardment showed a "blatant disregard of basic rules of war," noting that the compound had been clearly marked as a U.N. facility and its coordinates shared with Israeli authorities.

Coupled with them just openly doing it

Israel has form for not letting Palestinian refugees return to the territory so… I find it challenging to believe that they want to leave if the they have no guarantee of ever being able to return home.

That’s also why folk won’t accept Palestinian refugees, too.

Recently, the idea of pushing for the displacement of Gaza’s Palestinian population was given voice by Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich in what they called "voluntary migration," urging countries to take displaced Palestinians in.
Ben-Gvir and Smotrich’s remarks received immediate and international condemnation, including from the UK, Germany and France

It’s not up to Israel to decide where Palestinians should live: France
France condemned remarks by Israeli officials pushing for the displacement of Gaza’s Palestinian population, saying Israel has no right to decide the fate of people in Gaza.
"France condemns the remarks by Israeli Finance Minister Bazalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, calling for the emigration of the Gazan population as well as the re-establishment of (Jewish) colonies and occupation of the land (Gaza)," the French Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Urging Israel to refrain from such provocative remarks, saying they only serve to fuel tensions, the ministry said any forced population transfer would constitute a serious violation of international law according to the Geneva Convention and Rome Statute.
"It is not up to Israeli government to decide where Palestinians should live," it said. "The future of the Gaza Strip and its inhabitants will lie in a unified Palestinian state living in peace and security alongside Israel."

Gazans 'should not be subject' to forcible relocation: UK
Britain "firmly rejects any suggestion of the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza," said a statement from Britain’s Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office.
"Gaza is Occupied Palestinian Territory and will be part of a future Palestinian state," it said, adding that it rejects suggestions from Israeli officials pushing for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza.
"We share the concerns of our allies and partners that Gazans should not be subject to forcible displacement or relocation from Gaza," the office added.

Rejection of Gazans displacement in 'strongest possible way': Germany
The German Foreign Ministry also underlined its opposition to the dislocation of the Palestinian population in Gaza, saying: "We reject the statements made by the two ministers in the strongest possible way."
Ministry spokesperson Sebastian Fischer said the issue was discussed during the G7 Foreign Ministers Meeting in Tokyo last November.
Fischer added: "The forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza and the reduction of the territory of the Gaza Strip should not be out of the question."

Displacing population would violate international law: Spain
Spain, one European country that has been outspoken in defending Palestinians, joined countries condemning the Israeli officials pushing the forced relocation of the population in Gaza.
"The Government of Spain rejects recent statements by members of the Government of Israel evoking population movements in Gaza that would be contrary to international law," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
"Spain reiterates the urgent need to respect international law, international humanitarian law and to guarantee the protection of the civilian population," it added.

Displacement calls 'do not fit' future two-state solution: Netherlands
The Netherlands called the Israeli officials' proposal for the voluntary migration of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip "irresponsible."
Amsterdam supports a two-state solution, the Dutch Foreign Ministry underlined in a statement.
"The Netherlands rejects any calls for Palestinian displacement from Gaza or reduction of Palestinian territory," it said. "This does not fit a future two-state solution, with a viable Palestinian state alongside a secure Israel.”

Mass emigration of Palestinians is against international law: Slovenia
Slovenia also rejected the idea of the mass displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.
"Slovenia rejects the recent statements of members of the Israeli government who proposed mass emigration of Palestinians from Gaza," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Warning that any emigration of the Palestinian population from Gaza is against international law, the ministry stressed that it would further threaten the prospects for a sustainable two-state solution.
"We once again call for respect for international law and international humanitarian law and the protection of the civilian population in Gaza," it added.

Israeli officials’ proposal 'inflammatory, irresponsible': EU
Although only a handful of European countries condemned the Israeli officials’ call individually, a top official of the 27-member EU bloc slammed the call for the displacement of people from the Gaza Strip.
"I strongly condemn the inflammatory and irresponsible statements by Israeli ministers Ben Gvir & Smotrich slandering the Palestinian population of Gaza and calling for a plan for their emigration," EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on X.
He also stressed: "Forced displacements are strictly prohibited as a grave violation of IHL (international humanitarian law), and words matter."

It just feels completely pointless trying to explain why ethnic cleansing is bad. You either get it or you don't though. Same people who call South Africa, United Nations, Journalists, Medics, Children, the West and the long growing list of charities all supporters of Hamas, just think the solution to genocide is genocide. Never mind the Israeli government supporting Hamas.

I asked my South African m8 for the rundown of what the hell is going on and why South Africa's leading the ICJ case of all nations, and he said it's because a lot of the ANC remember when they were staring down the barrels of white supremacist guns or sitting in prison, and all the world was sanctioning South Africa and depriving them of armaments, Israel was the country keeping apartheid Africa alive.

"In general, this is just a hugely profound moment looking at the history of both Israel's support for the apartheid government in South Africa and the ongoing solidarity between anti-apartheid movements globally for South Africa and for Palestine," says Jo Bluen, an international relations scholar and organiser at South African Jews for a Free Palestine.
South African Jews for a Free Palestine have been at the forefront of Johannesburg's protests decrying Israel's actions in Gaza.

Professor Salim Vally, director for the Centre for Education Rights and Transformation at the University of Johannesburg, says: "Most South Africans also recognise Israel's complicity in our own oppression.
"For example, Israel was an important arms supplier to apartheid South Africa, despite the international arms embargo. As late as 1980, 35% of Israel's arms exports were destined for our country."

"When the global anti-apartheid movement forced countries to impose sanctions on the apartheid regime, Israel imported South African goods and re-exported them to the world as a form of inter-racist solidarity," he adds.
"Israel was loyal to the apartheid state and clung to this friendship when almost all other relationships dissolved."

South Africans ended apartheid 1992. Israel kept the apartheid government supplied with weapons, ammunition and technicians. It's pretty sad reading old CIA reports showing the Americans were well aware Israel was undermining US foreign policy but didn't do anything but show unconditional support regardless:

November 1, 1983, South Africa Arms Industry

South African officials, however, have frequently expressed a preference for US military equipment, especially high-technology items. Continued acquisi- tion by Armscor of US military technology either through international arms dealers or through the cooperation of close US allies such as Israel will create periodic problems for the United States. The Soviets can be expected, for example, to cite South Africa's ease in circumventing the UN arms embargo to bolster their claims that Washington is colluding with Pretoria against black Africa.

This continues from Washington's frustrations that Israel sold China advanced American weapons technology, with the CIA fearing that these military secrets were subsequently sold to Iran by China -_-

Honestly the biggest frustration about this all is how loudly the European countries' politicians will decry genocidal action plans, but then how inactive and passive they get when witnessing genocidal actions

But alas. Everyone stfu. Strongpoint has another big brain take. The world shouldn't have worked together to end South Africa apartheid. The world should have just cleansed South Africa of its black populace to help maintain a white majority

Wait is there such a thing as humane torture?

If you have a safe word

utmost betrayal >:|

Quote from: Loud Whispers on January 25, 2024, 09:26:26 pm

Neither Keir Starner nor Rishi Sunak able to say killing a civilian walking under a white flag is a war crime

Ah, Keir, how long it takes to build a reputation for standing up for human rights, and how quickly someone can lose it.

From a purely political standpoint it's also a bit of a gaffa in making the labour position identical to the tory position, of being surprisingly pro war crimes. Like the time where he said he was pro no water for Gazans and then spent the next 10 days managing the fallout as labour party members resigned and labour spokesmen insisted he did not mean he was pro collective punishment. Mega gift to the liberal democrats and the SNP who both adopted pro-ceasefire stance, especially since the only British-Palestinian MP is libdem. Sad though, she's British-Palestinian from the Palestininan Christians, and her family were the ones who were held under siege in one of the Churches where already one of her family members have died. Just not a good look for the reds and blues. Ppl still asked if she condemned Hamas, Russia and Saudi Arabia 

Texas is larger than Ohio, Floria and Texas combined

this one I dreamed I was a frog. Just chilling in a slow flowing brook. Early in the morning I would dit on a lily pad, and when the sun arose I would dip in the warm waters. I ate a beetle, and it was nice.
A snake chased me later in the day and I jumped from lily pad to lily pad. I was sure the snake wouldn't be able to follow, but underestimated how snakes that small totally can follow you on a lily pad. I jumped into the river, shouting "don't bite my ass" as the snake nearly bit my ass
When I emerged much farther downstream, I came upon a curious sight. A scorpion wanted to cross the river
The scorpion said to me "I wish to cross the river. I will not sting you, because if I sting  you, we will both drown."

I was hungry
I ate the scorpion
the venom was spicy