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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1244295 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8025 on: January 19, 2014, 12:34:34 pm »

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Nazis didn't simply hate jews. They are the Jew-haters. They deigned themselves anointed by god to eradicate Jewish blood both from within and without. They created elaborate formulas to determine how Aryan you were, and had another for how contaminated you are for having a Jewish grandparent.

Torquemada did it before.. There's nothing particularily new about Nazi antisemitism. For that matter, you can find examples of ethnic groups massacring other ethnic groups way back in history. The only singular thing about the nazis is that they made an industry out of massacres of civilians, which meant carrying them out at a scale never seen before.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8026 on: February 13, 2014, 11:01:19 pm »

Kansas Gay Segregation Bill.

Heyyyyy I AM NOT VERY CALM OR COOL RIGHT NOW
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8027 on: February 13, 2014, 11:08:43 pm »

On a similar note, a rapper by the name of Bizzle made a..."cover" of Same Love recently.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8028 on: February 13, 2014, 11:12:06 pm »

Holy. Shit.

I just skimmed the article, but it sounds horrifying. The worst part IMO: Any state employee can deny his services to gay people - which becomes even more chilling if you consider what would will happen when a homophobic police officer becomes a witness of a hate crime.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8029 on: February 13, 2014, 11:20:29 pm »

Or medical personnel turn away someone badly or fatally injured. Which, as near as I can tell, the bill would allow.

Codified hatred's as sickening as it ever is, bleh.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8030 on: February 13, 2014, 11:21:25 pm »

If I recall correctly, technically the bill requires that somebody serve gay people when it come to the public sector, but still horrible.

Anyway, the good news is that this would most likely not be considered "neutral on its face", and thus subject to far stricter judgement by the courts.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8031 on: February 13, 2014, 11:26:17 pm »

They also have a similar bill pending in Oregon.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8032 on: February 13, 2014, 11:27:28 pm »

I thought it was a referendum?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8033 on: February 13, 2014, 11:28:38 pm »

I thought it was a referendum?

I do not know what the difference between those two things is, so I will just say "Oregon's got it on its mind too."
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8034 on: February 13, 2014, 11:30:04 pm »

I thought it was a referendum?

I do not know what the difference between those two things is, so I will just say "Oregon's got it on its mind too."
Bills are voted on by the legislature, referendums are voted on by the whole voting population.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8035 on: February 13, 2014, 11:38:32 pm »

is it just me or is it initially worded as if it were a bill against gay segregation but then it has everything else saying it does in fact segregate gays

weird puzzle shit i tell you
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8036 on: February 13, 2014, 11:40:03 pm »

They're arguing that the necessity to treat gay people as human is oppressive to the Christian population.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8037 on: February 13, 2014, 11:53:03 pm »

So here is the actual bill.
Is that the standard for legal documents in Kansas? My god it is practically legible, do they not have a single lawyer able to convolute it a little? Still, while this law might be drafted with homosexuality in mind, I have bad news for women (And men I guess, but fuck it this is Kansas) and transsexuals.

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Section 1. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no individual
or religious entity shall be required by any governmental entity to do any
of the following, if it would be contrary to the sincerely held religious
beliefs of the individual or religious entity regarding sex or gender:

Technically they didn't even use the word sexuality, so you could make a legal case that this law can't be applied to homosexuals.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8038 on: February 13, 2014, 11:58:32 pm »

Well they could just make the case that when they say "regarding sex and gender" that includes everything that a specific gender "should" be doing. i.e males shouldn't have relationships with other males. Which this argument has even more terrifying implications since it could be easily expanded to include just about anything.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #8039 on: February 14, 2014, 12:01:03 am »

Well yea, I guess. Still, when religious schools decide that girls shouldn't be taught to read and write, and substitute their education for sewing and cooking don't even say I didn't warn you.
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