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Author Topic: RedKing's East Asian Politics Megathread  (Read 25758 times)

Lagslayer

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Re: RedKing's East Asian Politics Megathread
« Reply #315 on: May 26, 2017, 05:25:06 pm »

The more I read, the more awesome this Duterte guy sounds.

Crime in Phillippines is out of control.
Elected on his rabid anti-crime stance, especially when it comes to drugs.
Fucking slaughters these savage cartel fucks.
Currently in the process of tackling big banks and rich tax dodgers, while fighting off their terrorist puppets.
Consistently sticks it to the completely corrupt political system that surrounds him.

Only way he could be better is if he started offering free helicopter rides.

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« Reply #316 on: May 26, 2017, 05:27:07 pm »

The more I read, the more awesome this Duterte guy sounds.

Crime in Phillippines is out of control.
Elected on his rabid anti-crime stance, especially when it comes to drugs.
Fucking slaughters these savage cartel fucks.
Currently in the process of tackling big banks and rich tax dodgers, while fighting off their terrorist puppets.

Only way he could be better is if he started offering free helicopter rides.
I hope you being sarcastic. The man is responsible for thousands of deaths of which many were definitely not deserving of death. Mass murder is never the answer.
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Re: RedKing's East Asian Politics Megathread
« Reply #317 on: May 26, 2017, 05:29:33 pm »

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>drug cartels keep murdering people
>"You're not allowed to kill them! That's wrong!"

>unstable drug addicts keep supporting them
>"They're not criminals!"
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 05:32:21 pm by Lagslayer »
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« Reply #320 on: May 26, 2017, 05:48:35 pm »

murder
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>drug cartels keep murdering people
>"You're not allowed to kill them! That's wrong!"

>unstable drug addicts keep supporting them
>"They're not criminals!"


When the police just up and kill somebody, criminal or, then yes, it is called murder.
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« Reply #321 on: May 26, 2017, 05:55:53 pm »

There is kind of a reason why first world countries frown upon the idea of special government sanctioned hit squads against their own citizens and on their own soil.

I mean even China disbanded its secret police.
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« Reply #322 on: May 26, 2017, 06:02:39 pm »

When the police just up and kill somebody, criminal or, then yes, it is called murder.
Could you provide some specific examples, preferably as closely related to the immediate topic? The whole "just up and kill somebody" rhetoric is too politically charged for me to take at face value.

There is kind of a reason why first world countries frown upon the idea of special government sanctioned hit squads against their own citizens and on their own soil.

I mean even China disbanded its secret police.
How could you know if secret police have really been disbanded? The whole point is that you DON'T know about them.

And while the people may frown on such things, the governments of even first world countries have their hit squads. Surely you don't think Seth Rich was killed by some random mugger.

edit: I would also like to point out that Duterte's approval rating is still up around 80%.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 06:21:54 pm by Lagslayer »
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« Reply #323 on: May 26, 2017, 06:44:52 pm »

When the police just up and kill somebody, criminal or, then yes, it is called murder.
Could you provide some specific examples, preferably as closely related to the immediate topic? The whole "just up and kill somebody" rhetoric is too politically charged for me to take at face value.

I don't have a single clue how you've not heard anything about the police killings, given how often stuff comes out about them, but here you go:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/02/philippines-police-plant-evidence-to-justify-killings-in-drug-war-says-report

http://www.dw.com/en/philippine-police-conducted-vigilante-killings-human-rights-watch-says/a-37777193

https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/03/01/license-kill/philippine-police-killings-dutertes-war-drugs

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-linked-to-killings-by-former-police-officer/

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There is kind of a reason why first world countries frown upon the idea of special government sanctioned hit squads against their own citizens and on their own soil.

I mean even China disbanded its secret police.
How could you know if secret police have really been disbanded? The whole point is that you DON'T know about them.

And while the people may frown on such things, the governments of even first world countries have their hit squads. Surely you don't think Seth Rich was killed by some random mugger.

I find it very hard to take you seriously when you talk up a big game about sources and proof and then turn around and start pushing discredited conspiracy theories.

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edit: I would also like to point out that Duterte's approval rating is still up around 80%.

Completely irrelevant. A well-liked murderer is still a murderer.
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« Reply #324 on: May 26, 2017, 07:36:30 pm »

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/02/philippines-police-plant-evidence-to-justify-killings-in-drug-war-says-report
The "reports" are nothing but hearsay.

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http://www.dw.com/en/philippine-police-conducted-vigilante-killings-human-rights-watch-says/a-37777193
Again, nothing but hearsay.

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https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/03/01/license-kill/philippine-police-killings-dutertes-war-drugs
"Our investigations say-" SHOW US THE EVIDENCE!

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-linked-to-killings-by-former-police-officer/
"Corrupt cop from a family of drug pushers is against the war on drugs" No shit?


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discredited conspiracy theories
Discredited? Discredited by who? HOW was it discredited?


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Completely irrelevant. A well-liked murderer is still a murderer.
I thought you valued democracy.


I'm sorry, Wolfy, but this whole anti-Duerte thing just looks like a crazy conspiracy theory.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 07:38:49 pm by Lagslayer »
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« Reply #325 on: May 26, 2017, 07:42:07 pm »

@lagslayer: How about YOU show YOUR evidence supporting what you're arguing.

Really though, this argument looks like it's about to spiral out of control because there's just no amount of arguing at conspiracy theorists that they're wrong.
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Re: RedKing's East Asian Politics Megathread
« Reply #326 on: May 26, 2017, 07:52:40 pm »

"Discredited."

I am in agreement though. If the courts really were failing to control the murderous smugglers, corruption, and Islamic terrorism, I can ken to the idea of going around the system. He wouldn't be the first. That, and it looks like despite empowering vigilantes and there being some shadiness with due process going on Duterte is actually solving the problem. He purged the police of corrupt officers and later did the same to the penitentiary, and by official reports (everyone else seems to avoid the issue) has greatly reduced both the supply and demand for narcotics. Better this than the Philippines becoming a Mexico-tier dumpster where criminal gangs have free rein over large parts of the country, and considering his approval rating it seems most Filipinos agree.
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« Reply #327 on: May 26, 2017, 08:03:47 pm »

Of course, there's no way that the same officials involved in planting evidence would ever falsify reports. ::)

I'm disappointed, Baffler. You seemed like you'd be better than to endorse state-sanctioned murder.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 08:05:20 pm by Wolfhunter107 »
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« Reply #328 on: May 26, 2017, 08:06:51 pm »

Of course, there's no way that the same officials involved in planting evidence would ever falsify reports. ::)

I'm disappointed, Baffler. You seemed like you'd be better than to endorse state-sanctioned murder.
You dun fucked up, now.

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« Reply #329 on: May 26, 2017, 08:10:14 pm »

Of course, there's no way that the same officials involved in planting evidence would ever falsify reports. ::)

I'm disappointed, Baffler. You seemed like you'd be better than to endorse state-sanctioned murder.
You dun fucked up, now.

Your point?



Edit: Lagslayer's pretty obviously trolling and I'm starting to let my temper get the better of me, so I'm going to do the smart thing here and disengage. This isn't a hill I paticularly care to die on.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 08:38:03 pm by Wolfhunter107 »
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