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2: NC and TR

3: NC, TR and Vanu

[DJ]

Everyone knows the ultimate NC heavy weapon is the Jackhammer

[Aseaheru]

I love the godsaw, I shoot down fighters with it.

[Ozyton]

AC-X11 = Reaper DMR with shorter barrel = NC6 Gauss SAW with smaller magazine (Broadly speaking, of course)

I prefer the EM6 over the NC6, but if you get good with the NC6 you can dominate everyone with headshots and even cripple MAXes. 200 damage weapons are fun if you can manage the recoil. I like 164 damage weapons (EM6, NC1 Gauss Rifle, AF-19 Mercenary, even the AF-4 Cyclone), they're a nice bit of compromise between stability and damage plus they 'feel' a bit more like an actual gun. 143 damage guns feel a bit like COD laser guns, which makes them good and popular especially since you can bullet hose at longer range and spray and pray up close.

Plus there's the whole shooting down ESFs things like Aseaheru mentioned. Mossies have lower health compared to the other planes so one or two people with high damage auto weapons can just shoot at it like they were AAA, let alone a whole squad doing it. I've gotten plenty of ESF kill (credits) for being one of the few people to shoot at them while they try to lolpod only to realize they have low health or panic and run into a tree.

EDIT:

I, Mono124, Ruskin and some others are starting a fresh new outfit on Emerald, TR. We decided to all go where we didn't already have characters to avoid the usual bickering. If you want in, definitely join our teamspeak- there's a link in my signature.

I've been thinking of making a TR alt, so if this happens I'd be interested. Although I don't really like having in-game voice and teamspeak voice at the same time, it gets too confusing for me.

[Jim Groovester]

I hate carbines.

How can you not like carbines?

They're the easiest guns to shoot.

[Rex_Nex]

LMGs/Assault Rifles/Sniper Rifles tear them up at range, SMGs/Shotties tear them up in CQC. There is this band of combat where they are the optimal weapon to use, but it's hard to force engagements to keep happening in that band.

Carbines aren't bad, of course - smart positioning will trump any kind of firepower advantage your opponent has, and it's not like the difference between a LMG/AR and a Carbine is all that much, but I have been phasing out my Carbines for SMGs (Cyclone!) on my Light Assault and dread having to use my carbines on my Engineer. They just don't feel punchy enough to compete up close (especially given that neither engineer nor LA have any kind of panic button and have to rely on positioning) and even the more accurate carbines (razor) feel like they only tickle my opponents in longer range combat.

[Sordid]

I don't think that band exists, actually. Or rather I don't think the weapon role chart is one-dimensional. Yes, on the CQC-long range scale you have your shotties, SMGs, AR, and LMGs. IMO carbines don't fall somewhere in between those, they stand separately. As you said, they're all about positioning. IMO they're not short range guns, they're not mid range guns, they're not long range guns, they're shooting in the back guns. Hence why they're the primary weapon of the LA class, which is the only class able to actually utilize them effectively. On a groundpounder class they'd be useless, as evidenced by the engi. But the engi is special in other ways, his main weapon is the MAX unit he's hiding behind and his other teammates that he's keeping supplied with ammo.

[Duuvian]

Engy also has the battle rifle which is also superb for being ok at all ranges. With 2x reflex it's not so bad at close and mid range, with a 4x it's a good choice at long range, and with a 6x it can be used at very long range, though that's asking to be sniped because at that you'll be at full damage drop off.

Spoiler: ACX-11 and Razor (click to show/hide)

ACX-11 was the first infantry gun I auraxiumed. It's really accurate, but to be that accurate you have to be stationary. If you strafe your accuracy goes away. It's hipfire is also terrible. I started using it with the 6x scope, but after they added sway I went to 4x truesight. It's accurate enough while stationary to be used full auto in mid range and single shots all the way to counter sniping long range (if you compensate for extreme bullet drop) but damage dropoff really hurts it even with HV ammo. I'd recommend using HV ammo as it speeds up the bullets a good bit and extends the damage dropoff slightly.

I'm using the Razor now, and compared to the ACX-11 it's better when strafing, better at hipfire, and HV ammo seems to effect the recoil in a harsher manner to the point I've removed it. It's initial shots feel slightly less accurate but when used full auto it seems to not wiggle around as much especially when you start strafe dodging return fire.

Spoiler: NC LMGs I've used (click to show/hide)

I've started using the SAW again on my heavy and I'm finding it a lot better nowadays that I know to be stationary while shooting it. I've also removed HV ammo and switched to a 2x reflex sight.

I initially used the GD-22. The GD-22 feels like a big assault rifle with it's 50 round magazine and fast reload speed. Unlike the SAW you can move around while shooting it and keep some of your accuracy, which might be why I initially preferred it. It's decent at all ranges and I used it with the 4x truesight, though as with most guns at the longest ranges you'll be firing single shots at max damage dropoff.

The last LMG I've used is the EM-1. While it's not advised to use a suppressor for most guns, with the EM-1 it's minimum and maximum damage are quite close together, both at the low end. I use it with the suppressor and extended magazines. Even with the suppressor it's usable as a bullet hose at mid to long range. While it probably won't kill anyone past mid range before they reach cover due to it's inaccuracy with extended mags instead of grip, being a bullet hose means you can strafe around shooting bursts and it will eventually make even distant long range snipers duck from the occasional hits as they will likely have to reload while you still have 100-150 rounds spray and pray their way. The EM-1 also has an extremely fast reload for a 100 round lmg, and with extended mags it features the best damage reloaded per reload period of any infantry gun in the game. All that said, I would still not recommend it. It's best at close range but doesn't have the damage to back it up. It's not accurate enough at long range with a high rate of fire, low damage bullets and horizontal recoil. My favorite use at close range is to keep bursts of bullets going down a chokepoint or through a door that enemies are going to run through. With the fast reload and 200 round magazines you can keep a lot of bullets going into that area and with a suppressor you won't be lighting up the minimap. Unfortunately you will have to find a spot that friendly NC will not run in front of you because they didn't see you shooting the previous 50-150 rounds.

I've recently started using concussion grenades. I found the SAW better with them as concussion grenades allow you to be stationary and the SAW has enough range that you don't have to run right up to the dazed enemies. A suppressed EM-1 with extended mags seems like it would work well with concussion grenades, except it tends to make me want to run towards them to get inside the damage dropoff while giving dazed enemies time to recover or slowly spin to face me.
 

I have to wonder if an EM-1 with .75 ADS speed would be overpowered. Right now it's kind of weak and I can't think of another existing NC LMG that could use a buff as hefty as that. According to Vanu that defend the Orion .75 ads isn't that great an advantage so I don't think they'd have an issue adding it to a somewhat weak NC LMG. Are there any weak TR LMGs it would it be a good addition for?

On a funny note, the other day I died to an Ursa from pretty long range in a biolab. I'm so used to being killed by Orion I was already starting to complain in my mind that the Orion could headshot that accurately at long range and hit that hard despite the range when I saw the kill screen and saw it was an Ursa. That's the first time I've seen that gun in a really long time.

[Ozyton]

I'm so afraid of getting lolshotted by random snipers that are apparently everywhere that I'm always moving, so I always get the movement penalty...

[Duuvian]

Same here, but after moving around a while you can tell if there is a sniper with line of fire to you by the friendly corpses or the bullet noise. Also you can move in between bursts with the SAW. You can shoot while strafing in between your 'good' bursts and then stop and start a new burst when you are stationary again. It does have 100 rounds. You just won't be accurate at all during your moving burst.

I, Mono124, Ruskin and some others are starting a fresh new outfit on Emerald, TR. We decided to all go where we didn't already have characters to avoid the usual bickering. If you want in, definitely join our teamspeak- there's a link in my signature.

Well, at least you aren't purple. TR needs the most help right now anyways so good choice.

[Kanil]

I'm also not a fan of carbines. They're too inaccurate for LAs to use (this is true for literally every weapon that isn't a shotgun) and worse than every other weapon for engineers.

I still miss jumping ADS, it was so nice to have more than one viable weapon.

[Ozyton]

(EDIT: Oh yes, for those on Teamspeak who have been poking me, sorry for not responding, been a bit busy =p)

This post is more opinions on guns that nobody ever asked about, again, I just like to ramble =p

So I've made my TR alt for the Bay12 thingy, and I have to say that the early game is pretty fun when you don't have everything unlocked. I don't know if it's because it's more challenging or if you just have a lot more progression and such, but I'll be sticking with my TR guy for a while at least. The SABR was on member's sale so I picked that up and I've had success with it, still not as good at close range encounters as the NC1 but I haven't put a LAM on it so it hasn't been as good as it could be. The NC1 also still has the auto fire capabilities so you can not only single shot easily but you can auto fire easily when the situation dictates it regardless of how much you pancake. Plus the NC1 is still one of the most newb friendly guns IMO, aside from the NS-11, because of its horizontal recoil only going to the right and its high damage giving you the edge at medium ranges. The first shot recoil multiplier is much, much nicer on the SABR than the NC1 which makes two shot bursts at ranges much nicer; I wish the Guass Burst had a similar advantage because then I'd probably use it over the NC1.

I played light assault out of necessity and the TRAC-5 was simply giving me a hard time, it felt more like I was using the AF-9 but without the higher damage output, but that might've just been because I didn't use it enough to get a handle on it. Its horizontal recoil is only in one direction like the NC1, so supposedly it's the more newb friendly carbine in comparison to the NC's default.

In terms of NC assault rifles, most people swear by the Carnage AR, and while I like it I feel more comfortable with the GR-22. They are very similar guns but the Carnage AR is more for people who are good at compensating for recoil and has a nice fast reload, while the GR-22 has recoil bias only to the right but has the longest reload times out of any other NC assault rifle. The T1 Cycler is fairly similar to the Carnage AR except it doesn't boast the ADS movement speed and it has more ammo and better recoil, and if I had to pick I'd probably rather have the ADS move speed than 10 more bullets and a slower reload.

I also don't see what everyone's problem with the TX1 Repeater is, it's basically a pocket SMG for when you're pancaking. Although I still like the Desperado more, the repeater's damage per bullet -is- fairly low for my tastes. Still, I rarely pull out my pistols, I have yet to get in the habit of pulling it out when knifing someone in case I miss.

[DJ]

Get TAR. Who needs good ADS movement speed when you can hipfire at 50m?

[Duuvian]

There is an 8/1 patch on the Test server.

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/pts-patch-notes-8-1.195832/

C85 Canister
The area the canister is lacking in the most is range. To increase the effective range we are making two changes. We are increasing the minimum damage and tightening the pellet spread a little. We are also changing it to use a shotgun crosshair.
Pellet spread decreased from 1 degree to 0.9 degrees (1.33 degrees to 1.1 degrees on Harasser)
Minimum damage increased from 80 to 100
Crosshair changed from standard crosshair to a shotgun crosshair.
The minimum damage change should noticeably reduce the amount of hits required against targets outside the max range (42 meters for Van, 31 meters for Harasser). For example, if you were far enough away and only landing an average of two pellets a shot, the min damage change will change that from a 7 shot kill to a 5 shot kill.

I wonder how far away it starts landing 2 pellets on average. 5 shots is a lot of shots.

I'm going to predict PPA is still the only AI secondary that will be used with any sort of frequency. It's effectiveness compared to canister at more than extreme danger close range on live is probably way too far apart to be brought really close together by such minor changes. I was hoping the canister would be able to aim up like the kobalt as well.

Repair Tool: Functionality Improvement
Repair tool targeting has been adjusted to be based off the vehicles bounding box instead of the origin. This should make the range of the repair tool more consistent regardless of where you are in relation to the vehicle and fix locations where you seem like you should be able to repair the vehicle but can’t.

Cruise Control
The vehicle version of auto-run, cruise control, should now continue to function when controller focus is no longer on the vehicle; For example when opening the map or alt tabbing.

hooray! The repair tool changes will be especially nice. It was irritating to be moving around to avoid sniper fire while repairing a sunderer and have the repair tool stop working until you pointed it back at the center. It made the Sunderer do the repair flicker so whoever was damaging the sundie knew there was a distracted engineer there, and wasted some repair heat. It will also make it easier to repair a vanguard without being ran over.

[zombat]

Cruise Control
The vehicle version of auto-run, cruise control, should now continue to function when controller focus is no longer on the vehicle; For example when opening the map or alt tabbing.

I always thought this got changed intentionally to how it currently is to avoid drivers running over softies because they were busy looking at the map/tits.

[DJ]

PPA needs one hell of a nerf, all I see when I fight the VS are farmriders.