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Author Topic: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]  (Read 686969 times)

Reelya

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Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« Reply #4080 on: October 17, 2017, 08:17:11 pm »

You'd have a problem there, because illegal loan sharks would rise to fill the void caused by making things like payday loan's current structure illegal. Basically you'd replace guys in pawn shops running those sorts of things to black market front operations with start-up capital from drug lords. With payment ensured by hired thugs breaking kneecaps.

And people use payday loans to do stuff like put gas in their car to get to work, to pay rent and buy food. Without which they're probably going to lose their job or their house or get their kid's taken away from them. That's a symptom of wider problems but not always the loan-giver's fault.

The thing is, when something like payday loans sound exorbitant, but the system is near-universal that's probably because making margins any thinner wouldn't make a profit, e.g. the customer segment is at extremely high risk of non-payment. Pay day loans is a competitive business, not a natural monopoly, since pretty much anyone who owns a pawn shop can set this stuff up (and often do). So their profits overall are probably not much greater than business that takes comparable effort to run.
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Re: The small random questions thread [Flat-nosed pigdogs]
« Reply #4081 on: October 17, 2017, 08:21:22 pm »

@red, cause to hell with quoting on this damn tablet: Less risky loans fuck over a lot of less than rich people if it goes too far, and I'm pretty sure actual hard caps are past that point. It ain't particularly the banks that get screwed from that. Maybe make a bit less money, but that only hurts them in a very relative sense. You'd certainly be getting lenders with more reliable borrowers, but mostly because there'd be noticeably less of them, and not in a good way.

Also pretty sure there's other ways to go about debt control and mitigation that gets the effect you're looking for without the same level of economic fuckery landing on the backs of folks that really don't need to be dealing with that shit right now. Probably want rate limits which (functionally if not explicitly) exist in most places, better venues for challenge or annulment when shit goes too far, etc. More focused strike at a problem instead of drunken hammer to the entire economy.
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« Reply #4082 on: October 17, 2017, 08:35:43 pm »

merely speculation about the option.

although if i had a say banks would be a hell of a lot more regulated becasue god knows they have way to much of a free reign with peoples money. also part of the reason payday loads are popular is people don't trust the banks and for good reason with all there hidden fees and shit. you don't exactly have to look that long ago to find Wells Fargo fuckery with peoples money so see why. I am definitely the last person to defend the interests of rich people its just incidental if it happens.
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« Reply #4083 on: October 17, 2017, 08:50:50 pm »

Just don't be one of those "fractional reserve banking" conspiracy nuts. Because once you look into it, the whole reason for that turns out to the the opposite of the claims.

e.g. the usual version is that the government lets banks lend out your money 10 times, through the sneaky "fractional reserve banking" system, and they should only let them lend it out once. This is very common to read but it's fucking dumb. The whole point of fractional reserve is that it limits banks to lending out less than your deposit. It's a restriction on a bank's allowed behaviour, not a "money printing license".

e.g. a fractional reserve of 10% means that if a bank receives $1000 in deposits, they can only lend out $900. e.g. it's already below 1 dollar for each dollar deposited. However, the loan recipient then spends the $900 and someone else deposits that, at which point whichever bank has it is able to lend it out again, but only $810 of it. Following that geometric sequence, a fractional reserve law of 1/x creates x dollars of both loans and deposits per original dollar deposited, through people taking out loans, then the loan money being deposited. Nobody at any stage is lending out more dollars than they actually have in deposits.

Fractional reserve is in fact in place to damp down on repeated lending of the same dollar (through a chain of loans and spending), because by having that mechanism in place, the government can fight inflation through interest rates. Without fractional reserve banking, private banks would completely control the money supply. Or more likely to say, nobody could control the money supply.
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« Reply #4084 on: October 17, 2017, 09:05:03 pm »

definitely have no issue with that, that's old and normal bank stuff, fractional reserve is perfectly sound. selling other peoples debts to a bunch of other people on the other hand that is really bad. not to mention the betting against themselves before the recession and shady lending practices to people who obviously cant pay stuff back but the bank doesn't care becasue it gets money anyway. also speculation with peoples money and such combining investment with lending. If it reeks of neoliberalism its probably not good for the average person.
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« Reply #4085 on: October 18, 2017, 10:39:26 am »

selling other peoples debts to a bunch of other people on the other hand that is really bad.
Why?
not to mention the betting against themselves before the recession and shady lending practices to people who obviously cant pay stuff back but the bank doesn't care becasue it gets money anyway.
'Betting against yourself' is just insurance. There's nothing wrong with that in principle, is there?
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« Reply #4086 on: October 18, 2017, 10:59:50 am »

selling other peoples debts to a bunch of other people on the other hand that is really bad.
Why?
not to mention the betting against themselves before the recession and shady lending practices to people who obviously cant pay stuff back but the bank doesn't care becasue it gets money anyway.
'Betting against yourself' is just insurance. There's nothing wrong with that in principle, is there?
its a massive problem. It's all about incentive structures. They have no stake in preventing defult. When the borrower comes in wanting to renegotiate they don't give a shit because they already sold the debt to sevreal other corporations and they get money when the people defult. That's exactuly what happened in 2008. Right before the crash they took out insurance that there borrowers would defult and profited massively.

A lack of teminology knowledge hinders me somewhat.
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« Reply #4087 on: October 18, 2017, 11:09:48 am »

I wrote "this year" earlier. I wanted to write "toyear". Can I?
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« Reply #4088 on: October 18, 2017, 02:58:56 pm »

I wrote "this year" earlier. I wanted to write "toyear". Can I?

Yes, you can; it's obsolete, but most interesting words are.
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« Reply #4089 on: October 22, 2017, 07:28:15 pm »

It might be your diving reflex. The "swallow" is your glottis sealing itself.
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« Reply #4090 on: October 23, 2017, 01:21:48 am »

An African or an European Swallow?
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« Reply #4091 on: October 23, 2017, 08:06:48 am »

It's a miracle that 'African swallow' isn't the name of a pornographic act yet.
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« Reply #4092 on: October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 am »

I'm sure that long enough trawling the internet would reveal it is.

This type of research is beyond my university-set research parameters, so alas, I will not be the noble hero setting of in pursuit of that particular truth.
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« Reply #4093 on: October 23, 2017, 10:40:09 am »

Urban dictionary is the answer.

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« Reply #4094 on: October 23, 2017, 06:32:54 pm »

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