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[Devling]

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[Slayerhero90]

Who would gain ANYTHING from a global apocalypse?

The Courier. Without the apocalypse, she or he would not be able to loot all that free stuff.

[DWC]

I dunno, the conspiracy theorists back in the 80's thought Reagan was insane and wanted to start a nuclear war so some Illuminati-types prepared for it could emerge from the ashes and repopulate the world in the name of Baby Jesus or whatever. That idea is what inspired alot of media from around the time like fall-out's 'enclave' and the nobles in Vampire Hunter D, ect.

If you believe in conspiracies then you could suppose the elite is orchestrating events to lead up to world wide depopulation.

Anyways, that's off topic. I kinda forgot China and Russia backs up NK because they kinda like having that buffer state there and don't want US bases built next to their borders. Maybe these countries are starting to become less tolerant of NK as they are doing more business and their interests are more aligned with the west since the cold war ended. If North Korea becomes too isolated and loses their backers they might get desperate and start a war if they feared an invasion. China could serve it's interests by intervening and occupying as well, they could replace North Korea with another entity to act as a buffer.

South Korea does not want 'reunification' because they don't want to deal with rehabilitating an economically defunct north and impoverished backwards refugees flooding their cities. So some other nation state would replace it, hopefully with better management.

[misko27]

I dunno, the conspiracy theorists back in the 80's thought Reagan was insane and wanted to start a nuclear war so some Illuminati-types prepared for it could emerge from the ashes and repopulate the world in the name of Baby Jesus or whatever. That idea is what inspired alot of media from around the time like fall-out's 'enclave' and the nobles in Vampire Hunter D, ect.

If you believe in conspiracies then you could suppose the elite is orchestrating events to lead up to world wide depopulation.

Anyways, that's off topic. I kinda forgot China and Russia backs up NK because they kinda like having that buffer state there and don't want US bases built next to their borders. Maybe these countries are starting to become less tolerant of NK as they are doing more business and their interests are more aligned with the west since the cold war ended. If North Korea becomes too isolated and loses their backers they might get desperate and start a war if they feared an invasion. China could serve it's interests by intervening and occupying as well, they could replace North Korea with another entity to act as a buffer.

South Korea does not want 'reunification' because they don't want to deal with rehabilitating an economically defunct north and impoverished backwards refugees flooding their cities. So some other nation state would replace it, hopefully with better management.

I disagree with the last part, for a couple of reasons. For one, they actually have a minister of re-unification. For another, Historical precedent (Germany!) Says they take the costs for long-term gain.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

East and West Germany were not anywhere near as inequal as North and South Korea. East Germany was poor and West Germany was rich. North Korea is a nearly unindustrialized hellhole and South Korea is rich.

[misko27]

East and West Germany were not anywhere near as inequal as North and South Korea. East Germany was poor and West Germany was rich. North Korea is a nearly unindustrialized hellhole and South Korea is rich.

Still. The fact of the matter is simple. They incurred large scale losses from it, yet they still did it. Any they've invested so much time into it to.

[IronyOwl]

East and West Germany were not anywhere near as inequal as North and South Korea. East Germany was poor and West Germany was rich. North Korea is a nearly unindustrialized hellhole and South Korea is rich.

Still. The fact of the matter is simple. They incurred large scale losses from it, yet they still did it. Any they've invested so much time into it to.

There's also the racial/national pride thing. I don't know how strong that is in this case, but people will put up with a lot for the sake of getting all of "their people" reunified and rescued.

[DWC]

I disagree with the last part, for a couple of reasons. For one, they actually have a minister of re-unification. For another, Historical precedent (Germany!) Says they take the costs for long-term gain.

The reunification of Germany is a commonly cited reason why absorbing North Korea would be a terrible decision.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/10/young-south-koreans-fear-unification-with-north-wo/?page=all

It's not really a new thing either, I got the impression the South Korean government had no intention of annexing North Korea from an interview on NPR and the sentiment was basically the same as in the article.

Really, I can't blame them, after fighting would be a brutal war, having to occupy North Korea for who knows how long, the conditions in North Korea, it would be far worse then West Germany reuniting with it's only somewhat backwards and dysfunctional brother.

Apparently the Russians offered to return Kaliningrad back to German administration after the USSR collapsed. They refused, considering it more trouble then it was worth.

[misko27]

Well, let's just say if the offer came up and the south refused, I would be very confused.

[DWC]

Well, let's just say if the offer came up and the south refused, I would be very confused.

I imagine they'd like to replace the rulers of North Korea and set up a democratic intern government, but they would not absorb it overnight and open their borders or grant citizenship to anybody until the place was ready.

[Flying Dice]

Agreed. Reunification will likely occur at some point, but it won't be a fast process. Though the reuinification of Germany isn't a great model for the situation. Korea has been divided for nearly 20 years longer than Germany was, and the division was the result of the trusteeship of Korea (supposedly intended to last until an independent Korean government could be formed) becoming a tug of war between the U.S. and CCCP/PRC (resulting in the formation of competing and ideologically opposed governments) rather than post-war occupation and division by enemy forces. East and West Germany had no reasons for hostility other than those created by the Cold War. As I said, this is a rather different situation.

[AlmightyOne]

Can anybody tell me whether Kim Jong junior still keeps his father's stance? His father clearly stated that NK would gladly join the Non-proliferation treaty again, provided the US kept his end of the bargain. Is Junior even considering that? He doesn't SEEM to.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I'm starting to think he might be even more extreme than his father, and less eccentric. Both horrible things. The dictators of the world at least tend to be amusingly insane.

With Gaddafi dead, Kim-Jong-Un stable but hawkish, and Abdullah in poor health, we may soon have no eccentric dictators left...

Save us Mugabe!

[Skyrunner]

Korea has been divided for nearly 20 years longer than Germany was, and the division was the result of the trusteeship of Korea (supposedly intended to last until an independent Korean government could be formed) becoming a tug of war between the U.S. and CCCP/PRC (resulting in the formation of competing and ideologically opposed governments)

Part of it is the fault of the South Koreans. Someone assassinated the only person with enough political power to assert that North and South needed to have a unified presidential election, and the other person pushed a South-only election, causing the Republic of Korea to get its first president (who also happened to be a dictator).

[Slayerhero90]

I continue to hold the belief that all our problems would be solved by North Korea sinking into the ocean.