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[Helgoland]

PTW. Also: The Kimster.

[Loud Whispers]

Sorry everyone, Christmas is cancelled this year in Best Korea.

The Kim that stole Christmas D:

[Strife26]

So, has anyone heard about China's response to NK bumping off their favorite contact? Because I heard that they just moved a full armored division up to the border, with a corps sized element in reserve.


Something on the order of 500 tanks or so. Which is, you know, a lot. :|

[Lagslayer]

Hypothetically speaking, if China were to move in and take over NK, do you think conditions there would improve? Or would China continue to not give them anything?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Conditions would undoubtedly improve, if only because it would be a more competent administration. China isn't crazy like Ultra-Bubble, they understand the value of bread and circuses.

[misko27]

Hypothetically speaking, if China were to move in and take over NK, do you think conditions there would improve? Or would China continue to not give them anything?

Depends on their ultimate motives: If they want to annex the North entirely, or put it into a vassal state, they will want to bring them up to somewhere approaching Chinese living standards (and, of course, be revered as heroes by the North Koreans, who are already taught that China is wonderful.) Alternatively, if they suspect that the South may want it back any time soon, they will possibly put off any serious attempts to improve the living standards.

[Strife26]

Depends on how nasty the war is.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I stand by my viewpoint that North Korea's military doctrine is literally the worst possible doctrine for them to have in their position. Dug-in line fighting supplemented by long range artillery is all well and good, so long as your supply lines are stable.

Everybody has better supply lines than North Korea.

[alway]

From what I recall, there are plans in place for such occurrences, negotiated between the US and China, in case of the regime destabilizing. China really REALLY doesn't want to deal with the problems of the NK populace, but they equally don't want a close US ally on their border in the form of SK. Because without such plans, the armies of the US and China would pretty quickly meet in the middle, mistakes would be made, resulting in large scale friendly fire at the very least, and possibly world-ending nuclear war. And of course there's the NK nuclear weapons which would need to be secured by spec ops from both nations immediately. So NK would be split down the middle by China and the US. The US would probably cede their chunk to SK; what China would do would heavily depend on their diplomatic strategy du jour.

If they were trying to turn SK to their own favor, they might just cede the entire thing to them; though that's highly unlikely.

Since they really don't want to deal with the NK populace, I suspect they would give most of it to SK, then keep a nice, thick chunk along their border and militarize the hell out of it. They would then send any refugees/inhabitants into the SK part, and let them deal with the mess. Possibly while kicking back and munching on some popcorn. It'll take an entire generation, maybe two, to rehabilitate the region; which is why China's biggest goal is preventing a massive wave of NK refugees flooding over their border.

[misko27]

Depends on how nasty the war is.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that, because China is basically the difference between Sir Kimmy Fattington's Nightmare Despot's fantasy and Somalia: the Lawless years. If China intervened, maybe after cutting off supplies for a few months and letting the North stew over it's utter collapse, it would roll in African Union style, crushing the feeble opposition (which, the current government having collapsed, would lack any sort of institution to rally around other then the Army, which is dependent on Chinese supplies.) and looking like big damn heroes. At worst there'd be remnant army trying to oppose, but honestly why even bother?

It'd be like the US invading Afghanistan, except if you shrunk Afghanistan down to the size of approximately Ohio, cut it's population by seven million, removed any non-state militia or institution, made it totally dependent on US supplies to maintain it's state and army, made it's citizens look to the US as a friendly, benevolent world power with nothing but Afghani interests in mind and similar values, and put it right on the US border to boot. I'm not saying there wouldn't be any Chinese casualties, but it would be on par with the US invasion of Haiti by Clinton: One casualty by a guy who probably got run over by an army truck. Possibly the most sweeping curbstomp in modern history.

[Owlbread]

The South really should step in as soon as the North collapses. The way I see it a unified Korea is inevitable.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The South really should step in as soon as the North collapses. The way I see it a unified Korea is inevitable.

>Unification
>Owlbread
>2013

* MetalSlimeHunt is even more convinced that Owlbread has been replaced by a Tory imposter.

[Skyrunner]

Unification would probably bring the % of Koreans in poverty waaay up. We don't have enough jobs as it is!

[Owlbread]

>Unification
>Owlbread
>2013

* MetalSlimeHunt is even more convinced that Owlbread has been replaced by a Tory imposter.

I know, I know, such terminology is appalling coming from me. The thing is though Korea is rare in that it is a complete nation, i.e. the national equivalent of an atom (not this again) that cannot really be divided into smaller countries because they are genuinely 1 people. China, India, Pakistan and Japan would be very different examples that could be divided because they incorporate several or many nations, as with Russia, the UK and so on. You could divide Scotland better on national lines than you could Korea.

I do believe, however, that any United Korea should be federal and allow a devolved government to control the North (rather like in Scotland, but with more power), ideally maintaining what is left of the Socialist system up there by the time the country collapses. I think though given that the North Koreans' main goal is to unify the Korean peninsula (they bang on about unification more than they do the Americans or anyone else) and the Southern governments seem to be quite behind the idea, what with their Ministry of Unification and so on, a unified Korea is the only likely future if things go bad. No Chinese puppet government in the North would be enough to stop the tsunami of freedom, and there's still families in the South that have relatives in the North, separated by the war.

[MaximumZero]

Unification would probably bring the % of Koreans in poverty waaay up. We don't have enough jobs as it is!

That said, NK has a lot of natural resources and room to sprawl that SK doesn't currently have. That's an easy way to create lots and lots of jobs quickly.