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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1635 on: November 04, 2015, 11:27:56 am »

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I don't think its ever expressively mentioned why he's currently asleep.

Well... it is, after a fashion, in Call of Cthulhu. Part II is Lovecraft at his best, IMO.

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These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape—for did not this star-fashioned image prove it?—but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1636 on: November 04, 2015, 08:56:24 pm »

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I don't think its ever expressively mentioned why he's currently asleep.

Well... it is, after a fashion, in Call of Cthulhu. Part II is Lovecraft at his best, IMO.

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These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape—for did not this star-fashioned image prove it?—but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.

There's also the deuterocanonical explanation in many non-Lovecraft Cthulhu mythos novels (such as Lurker at the Threshold that he was imprisoned and/or cursed by a rival group of cosmic beings
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1637 on: November 04, 2015, 09:02:20 pm »

Besides "Stars are not right" and "Stars are right" basically means "Things haven't come into place" and "Things have come into place" rather then literally meaning that Cthulhu lives and dies according to the movement of the stars themselves.
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« Reply #1638 on: November 04, 2015, 11:13:27 pm »

Besides "Stars are not right" and "Stars are right" basically means "Things haven't come into place" and "Things have come into place" rather then literally meaning that Cthulhu lives and dies according to the movement of the stars themselves.

I'd argue the quote posted by Bohandas:
These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape—for did not this star-fashioned image prove it?—but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.

Strongly suggests that it is not the idiomatic "things coming into place", but a very literal  case of Cthulhu basically being dead without being properly dead when the stars are normal and a transplanar awakened god-being "plung[ing] from world to world through the sky" when they are "Right", neither of which is entirely the case in CoC.

I definitely see "the stars are right" as a very specific apocalyptic event in the Lovecraft universe, a literal astral alignment that awakens Cthulhu and his fellow star-spawn, rather than an idiom for "when the time is right".
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1639 on: November 05, 2015, 07:23:08 am »

Besides "Stars are not right" and "Stars are right" basically means "Things haven't come into place" and "Things have come into place" rather then literally meaning that Cthulhu lives and dies according to the movement of the stars themselves.

I'd argue the quote posted by Bohandas:
These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape—for did not this star-fashioned image prove it?—but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.

Strongly suggests that it is not the idiomatic "things coming into place", but a very literal  case of Cthulhu basically being dead without being properly dead when the stars are normal and a transplanar awakened god-being "plung[ing] from world to world through the sky" when they are "Right", neither of which is entirely the case in CoC.

I definitely see "the stars are right" as a very specific apocalyptic event in the Lovecraft universe, a literal astral alignment that awakens Cthulhu and his fellow star-spawn, rather than an idiom for "when the time is right".

I think the distinction between these two positions practically comes down to: can humans do anything to affect Cthulhu returning? And I'd argue that given Lovecraft's treatment of the Old Ones, while never stated directly, the answer to that question is likely intended to be "no".

And, boy, we're staying off-topic...
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1640 on: November 05, 2015, 07:34:20 am »

Well, we are waiting for the stars to be right for That which sleeps to be released. The debate is whether this is humanly possible or something where we are just victims to the whims of cosmic forces we can never hope to understand.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1641 on: November 05, 2015, 08:46:22 am »

In develop'lyeh, That Which Sleeps waits dreaming.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1642 on: November 09, 2015, 07:42:07 am »

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I took a few days "off" last week, but it being hard to detach myself from That Which Sleeps especially at this point I spent much of that time doing a rework of the planes interface, adding a much more extensive interface to the Crystal Cathedral and Court for Seraph, and creating many more specific tooltips to break out from the main generic type, mainly the break was to keep me from staring at code and bug hunting all day - Beta progress is still going well and though we aren't quite ready to put the firm date on it we're almost there.

Video 2 and 3 are up for this week and next respectively.

Little news this week, here's hoping the video will actually be here this time.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1643 on: November 20, 2015, 06:45:34 pm »

Is it alive? Is it dead?
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« Reply #1644 on: November 20, 2015, 06:51:04 pm »

Is it alive? Is it dead?

Sleeping means dead.

But the reason it is referred to as sleeping is because... Being dead isn't as fatal as it is for great old ones... and they can be quite active in their corpse state.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1645 on: November 20, 2015, 07:13:57 pm »

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i meant the game...but at this point it seems like it doesn't matter anymore.
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« Reply #1646 on: November 20, 2015, 07:33:14 pm »

We can only wait.

I used to be able to peek at the backer section of the forums and see if something is going on development-wise, but it looks they fixed that. D:
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1647 on: November 20, 2015, 10:21:37 pm »

Nothing new to report. We haven't heard From Josh or Fenicks since Monday. We'll pass on the next justification/excuse once we have it. 
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #1648 on: November 20, 2015, 10:31:07 pm »

You guys are brutal. Devs haven't communicated since Monday, game must be dead!
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« Reply #1649 on: November 20, 2015, 10:45:45 pm »

I don't actually think it's dead. Honestly, I think it's coming along reasonably well. I'm just tired of missed deadline after missed deadline, and it's made me cynical
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