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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Graknorke]

It's not sin if it's validated by himself. That's pretty much how the whole thing works; sin is what he doesn't like.

[TD1]

He doesn't like murder according to the NT. His deaths may be validated by himself, but is sin by hos own definition. I fail.to see how that's not sinning.

[Loud Whispers]

Same with OT

[Calidovi]

What about rage? Jesus did rek the gamblers of the temple, perhaps not with bloodshed but with destruction regardlessly.

[Loud Whispers]

Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'" The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them. But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant.

[Graknorke]

His deaths may be validated by himself, but is sin by hos own definition. I fail.to see how that's not sinning.

Because sin is not defined by the act, but by whether God thinks it's okay or not. So whenever he does a thing it's fine. Like how your parents (probably) told you that swearing is wrong; it's not that they think there's anything inherently wrong with swearing, they just want you not to do it.

[UXLZ]

Basically, it's the "Do as I say, not as I do." principle.

[Loud Whispers]

Robots programmed by humans cannot go against human will

[Graknorke]

Robots programmed by humans cannot go against human will

Sure they can, people make mistakes in writing software all the time.

[MonkeyHead]

This line of arguing runs straight into the euthyphro dilemma. I personally find it hard to take seriously a system that teaches absolute morality as dictated by a divine entity who does not follow said absolute morals, yet apparently expects us to follow said moral code unquestioningly.

[TD1]

His deaths may be validated by himself, but is sin by hos own definition. I fail.to see how that's not sinning.

Because sin is not defined by the act, but by whether God thinks it's okay or not. So whenever he does a thing it's fine. Like how your parents (probably) told you that swearing is wrong; it's not that they think there's anything inherently wrong with swearing, they just want you not to do it.

My parents did tell me not to swear, but they also follow their own advice. They don't swear 99.9999% of the time.

God tells us not to kill, and then goes rampant killing entire planets (barring a random family and some animals.) At the very least he's a hypocrite. Very arguably, by his own definition of sin (which isn't "do what I think is right," more "do not do these things, such as murder, because they are inherently wrong. That has been my interpretation, anyway.) he is a sinner.

[Graknorke]

This line of arguing runs straight into the euthyphro dilemma.

Only if you say that good things are good in themselves. If you just accept that God's word is what's good because he says it then you're clear.

[TD1]

Well...most people would think it's good to not, for example, blow up uninhabited planets for no reason despite God not saying anything on the matter.

So if God is the guiding point for Christian morals, where do you go when there are no teachings? Where does that "good" come from?

[Graknorke]

So if God is the guiding point for Christian morals, where do you go when there are no teachings? Where does that "good" come from?

I dunno, pray and listen for voices in your head? I didn't write the book.

[Loud Whispers]

Robots programmed by humans cannot go against human will

Sure they can, people make mistakes in writing software all the time.

It was a rhetorical statement