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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1380 on: March 24, 2016, 11:39:41 pm »

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A quick shit estimation:
http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/age_structure.html
Around 7m are women and girls under 20 and another 7m are men and boys under 20, 17.5% of Germany

There are roughly 65m Germans in Germany so that's got to be around 11m Germans under 20, roughly equal in the gender split. That'd also mean there'd be about 3m foreigners in the same age bracket and gender, using shitty cia 2014 factbook numbers because Germany refuses to conduct any censuses right now to not scare the normies (that bit with the ESI telling politicians to speak to their constituents in migration by the daily rate as opposed to annual, HAHAHA THIS IS THE FUTURE WE CHOSE). So 21% of Germany was not going to be Germans before bold new Europe happened with roughly equal gender split, then in two years 2.3m arrived, majority of them young men, with a yearly rate of 1.5m in 2015, set to rise in 2016, getting to 33%. At current rates for Germoney (assuming that the rise we are observing now never happened and Merkel succeeds in creating regular migration to Germany) it would take 3 years for Germans to ensure they will become a minority in their own country once the old ones die childless, not taking into account intermarriage and competition / or higher migrant birth rates / German men being useless / or the fact that I spent more time and care doing the math on animal slaughter than German slaughter and that Germany and Sweden conveniently stopped publishing stats after they enriched themselves and their advisers said not to scare voters with hatefacts

tfw I appreciate animal slaughter methods more
They didn't have any choice, but humans who bring their obvious consequences on their head in the name of obvious coincidences get what their parents deserved
This is why I find it funny that the people Swedes call nazis are lgbt progressives who don't like islamism because it infringes on their lgbt and they ignore intersexuality intersectionality
It's cute but that's all Sweden values protecting, and is why it will die and be reborn, for what is dead may never die but rises again cheeki and brecki

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Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.

Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Guac.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1381 on: March 25, 2016, 12:25:11 am »

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A quick shit estimation:
http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/age_structure.html
Around 7m are women and girls under 20 and another 7m are men and boys under 20, 17.5% of Germany

There are roughly 65m Germans in Germany so that's got to be around 11m Germans under 20, roughly equal in the gender split. That'd also mean there'd be about 3m foreigners in the same age bracket and gender, using shitty cia 2014 factbook numbers because Germany refuses to conduct any censuses right now to not scare the normies (that bit with the ESI telling politicians to speak to their constituents in migration by the daily rate as opposed to annual, HAHAHA THIS IS THE FUTURE WE CHOSE). So 21% of Germany was not going to be Germans before bold new Europe happened with roughly equal gender split, then in two years 2.3m arrived, majority of them young men, with a yearly rate of 1.5m in 2015, set to rise in 2016, getting to 33%. At current rates for Germoney (assuming that the rise we are observing now never happened and Merkel succeeds in creating regular migration to Germany) it would take 3 years for Germans to ensure they will become a minority in their own country once the old ones die childless, not taking into account intermarriage and competition / or higher migrant birth rates / German men being useless / or the fact that I spent more time and care doing the math on animal slaughter than German slaughter and that Germany and Sweden conveniently stopped publishing stats after they enriched themselves and their advisers said not to scare voters with hatefacts

tfw I appreciate animal slaughter methods more
They didn't have any choice, but humans who bring their obvious consequences on their head in the name of obvious coincidences get what their parents deserved
This is why I find it funny that the people Swedes call nazis are lgbt progressives who don't like islamism because it infringes on their lgbt and they ignore intersexuality intersectionality
It's cute but that's all Sweden values protecting, and is why it will die and be reborn, for what is dead may never die but rises again cheeki and brecki

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Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.

Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Guac.

France and Britain are less enriched in culture? ( well, at least I would expect this from Britain, as it is natural dwarf fortress separated by ocean)
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1382 on: March 25, 2016, 12:59:19 am »

Not France, and it's only less in relative terms. We're less enriched than Sweden in the same way there's more rainfall in Egypt than Libya but neither are particularly rainy. Take the most impregnable Fortress, one even as great as North America - there's no surviving someone on the inside simply opening the front door

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1383 on: March 25, 2016, 01:26:48 am »

The arabs are invading

Run

Soon you'll all be wearing turbans

Oh god the horror.


>.> I don't mean to make light of the situation anymore than you lot do, but honestly. APOCALYPSE NOW is bullshit. Life goes on. The fact that there's this much backlash means that the Cathedral or whatever the fuck will fail, there'll be issues for a while integrating however many came in, the EU will either break up or get strained that bit more, and then Kim Jong The Whatever will moon us all on camera with a phallic rocket in the background and we'll go worry about that for a bit. Reaction to this will push Europe in a new direction politically for a while, polarize shit a bit more, blah blah blah. You can tell me I'm wrong once one of the typically stable European countries collapses into Shariah lack-of-law. There might be an atrocity or two, or something that gets spun as one, but it'll blow over with a lot of fuss and clamor.
Politics is one half fearmongering, one third motivational speeches, and one quarter terrible statistics, charts, and graphs. I'm sick of it.

tl;dr: This, too, shall pass.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1384 on: March 25, 2016, 01:37:52 am »

tl;dr: This, too, shall pass.
But that can't be! White genocide and cultural marxists! /pol/ and r/europe can't possibly be wrong about these 100% real things, these totally not made up things that are going to destroy Europe!

Any day now these 100% not actually masks for personal insecurities are going to do Europe in. Any day now.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1385 on: March 25, 2016, 01:44:58 am »

tl;dr: This, too, shall pass.
But that can't be! White genocide and cultural marxists! /pol/ and r/europe can't possibly be wrong about these 100% real things, these totally not made up things that are going to destroy Europe!

Any day now these 100% not actually masks for personal insecurities are going to do Europe in. Any day now.

 :P
Don't get me wrong. This shit is fucked up on at least the level of Donald Trump being considered a viable candidate for presidency as long as he has. But, call me an optimist, the world hasn't ended yet, for all the ways it could have, and I have doubts it will now. I don't think the issues people have with it are just racist 4channers. But I also don't think it's DOOMSDAY like Loud Whispers proclaims every other post in massive transparent font. Donald Trump won't become president, Europe will not become the Middle Weast, and North Korea will manage to nuke approximately zero non North Korean cities.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1386 on: March 25, 2016, 02:13:30 am »

The fact that people are getting angry about it is what makes me think it will blow over. If it was just kinda going quietly on, that's what would get me worried. If everyone just kinda thought 'oh hey you know it's fine' about this stuff, rather than the backlash, then I would be seriously concerned. Backlash is good. Pain tells you there's something wrong, so you can change your behavior.

Maybe we just have different definitions of evil. But if your son-in-law's family is pressuring your daughter, the solution doesn't seem to be 'stop the muslims' to me. I've got a different perspective on this, perhaps, but calling a politician racist and calling a politician a communist/socialist are two sides of the same coin in America. I have a lot less investment in 'tradition and culture' than I do in the here and now. Islam has it's traditions too. I know the whole problem/point here is that no, not all cultural practices are equal, but I think the tradition of pogroms is better left dead. Again, maybe it's different in Europe. maybe the liberal movement has gone too far there, in reality rather than caricature. But the people I know care about what they deal with on a regular basis, and having someone be a dick to you in little ways constantly is something you're going to notice far more than which corporation is bribing which politician. One of those takes a fair chunk of effort to uncover, an even larger amount of effort to affect, and has very little visible return. The other takes a bit of effort, but can be changed decently fast, one way or another, and has a very obvious reward.

It feels like the modern equivalent of 'Oh the good old days'. Fuck the time when everyone went to war with everyone else. I'm all for going to war for tyranny, but 'oh no, people don't want to run off and get killed' doesn't seem like a complaint to me.

Besides which. Like I said, there's gonna be some nasty shit. I'm just saying it's not gonna destroy Europe.

I'm not saying to ignore it, I'm saying to cut through the bullshit. Because there is bullshit. There's bullshit everywhere. You can't escape it. That's one of the few things I'm pessimistic about. Signalling games and bullshit redirection and an endless fucking slog uphill to get any truth out of it, and then you have to figure out what biases you might have in filtering the information so as to make sure you have accurate picture and I just want to deal with the problem directly goddamnit. We're all full of it. That's the worst part. I don't even know how much of what I'm saying is genuinely what I'm hoping to say, and how much is my brain trying to do signalling games or misdirections to make people look stupid when my ego isn't looking. I hate it hate it hate it. But I still have to say it.

Tradition can go to hell. Forge a new tradition, damn it. Forge a new one with every generation. This is the world that brought us music and the internet and food that doesn't have goddamn maggots in it (we have moths in our garage, which is also our pantry for sealed foodstuffs. We took out the unsealed ones after an incident). This is the world where you aren't drafted to fight a war you have no interest in beyond an abstract love of king and country and maybe some ethnic hatred of those weird Spanish people that don't even speak a proper language like Polish or Lithuanian or Southern Costershire King's Queen's High English. So you know what? If our lives are too comfortable and easy, then good. We fucking won, then. And there's enough people with sense to keep the roof up and the walls in place, even if the door's rusted half shut and the pipes leak. Those will get fixed if you give it some time and effort too. Don't give up, don't give in, but don't turn your frustrations onto arbitrary groups because you figure that's the solution. Don't try to burn the house down in order to get rid of the termites. There's fight in us, and there's a fight to be fought. Maybe it's just not quite the one you think it is. Maybe it is the one you think it is. Finding out which war to fight is the first step. And there's a hell of a lot of wars, with a hell of a lot of soldiers.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1387 on: March 25, 2016, 04:41:05 am »

Islam has its own culture, as you say. Whether they're equal or not isn't for me to judge, but I have no desire for it to supplant the culture of my own country. I don't want my country to become more like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. I don't want my granddaughters to be unable to leave the house without a male escort. I don't want them to grow up afraid because they're homosexual, and if they're discovered as such they could be stoned or beaten to death by a religious mob.
What. I've lived most my life in an actual Islamic country, and it's nothing like this at all. Seriously, it's not all sunshine and roses, but stoning people for being gay is not something that's being done here. Hell, beyond the gay folk and trans folk I do know here, one of my closest friends was a wingman for his gay friends, despite him being straight as an arrow. And in general, it's not as if Islamic countries in more well developed places aren't following a global trend of accepting lgbt folk.

And same for the kind of woman needs a male escort thing. Same friend had, for a large segment of his life, lived with his mother as she was working as a single parent. So no, Saudi is an outlier on this sense of things. They're generally the go to for a measure of cultural backwardness, and it confuses us over here as well.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1388 on: March 25, 2016, 04:56:18 am »

Well the fact remains that one of the countries with the largest muslim populations of the world, Indonesia, has recently (ever since it's got a muslim government) gone from accepting lgbt to making it an offense punishable by whipping and caning. Even lgbt tourists are no longer safe. So I can't really agree with you saying that better developed muslim countries are moving towards acceptance.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1389 on: March 25, 2016, 05:34:08 am »

Sure a Yuropure may be able to tell you about all 189 facebook genders and sexual identities but how many of them are old? How many of them are weak? How many of them will bear no children? How many of them will not push for mass immigration? How many of them would not flee from their country at first light? The number dwindles to nothingness. So you end up with a society where the Europeans that are left are in small number, are mostly useless, and have left their government, their media, their religion, their vital professions, their police in the hands of newcomers - and they expect that their descendants will be in control how?Why is it when migrants push their children to study engineering or medicine or pick up a useful trade or go into education Yuropoors would rather their children go to an elite Uni to learn about oppression narrative, leaving all the machinations of their country to be left to undesirables they must save?
Do you think that non-migrant fertility rates will inevitably fall to zero in a few decades? How many Muslim cops have you seen beating up anti-immigrant demonstrators? How many can you realistically expect to see in a few decades? Are you seriously deluded enough to think that practically none of the European non-migrants want their children "to study engineering or medicine or pick up a useful trade or go into education" – that an undefined-but-very-large percentage of parents don't want their children to have a career, and the children end up not having a career because of their parents' silly preferences? I'm not misrepresenting you, that's what you just said:
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Why is it when [no quantifier] migrants push their children to study engineering or medicine or pick up a useful trade or go into education [no quantifier] Yuropoors would rather their children go to an elite Uni [implying that you cannot pick up a "useful trade" at an university?] to learn about oppression narrative, [implying that the curriculum consists of "oppression studies" for practically all students?] leaving all the machinations of their country to be left to undesirables they must save? [implying that a "useful career" is needed to take part in the machinations of a country]
I wont even bother throwing the statistics at you, it's obviously not worth the fucking effort.

You're bonkers, m8. Absolutely fucking bonkers.
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« Reply #1390 on: March 25, 2016, 05:37:23 am »

I'll assume you don't live in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, Sudan, northern Nigeria, or the UAE, where homosexuality is a capital offence.
I live in the UAE.
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« Reply #1391 on: March 25, 2016, 05:50:59 am »

Europeans talking to Middle Easterners: "Here are some things you don't know about the country you live in."

Europeans talking to Americans: "You don't live here so you really have no idea what you're talking about."
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« Reply #1392 on: March 25, 2016, 05:53:54 am »

Yes, it is, but guess what? It's not a law that particularly gets enforced like, at all. Legislators from these countries aren't the ones immigrating, and as you're demonstrating, you can have vatly differing ideas and politics from lawmakers in power. This is not something controversial. Part of the reason European countries generally don't do much about it is that the cases do not pop up all that often among the nationals that live here. I mean, if I'm looking for older people then sure, but in my age group... I can't think of all that many people that do oppose gay rights, with most that do effectively being southern baptist muslims.
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« Reply #1393 on: March 25, 2016, 06:25:43 am »

Europeans talking to Middle Easterners: "Here are some things you don't know about the country you live in."
Europeans talking to Americans: "You don't live here so you really have no idea what you're talking about."
Is this what Americans actually believe? Because what I'm seeing is Europeans being enlightened by their toleran and progresiv refusing to make any comment on Muslim countries whilst the Americans lecture Muslim and Yuropoor alike in how they should live their life or how their country is run. I mean you have to resort to making up quotes whilst any of the Yurpoors here can actually quote where Americans are lecturing people in the ME or Yurop thread on how their country is or should be.

The arabs are invading
Run
Soon you'll all be wearing turbans
Oh god the horror.
Lol I've been taught how to wear turbans by Arabs already but they're not fashionable (least on me), so I'll wait till I convert to Sikhism first

Also I take offence to you calling it an invasion, that would imply hostility and them paying for themselves, whilst they're just walking in because they were invited and are paid for by yuropoors

>.> I don't mean to make light of the situation anymore than you lot do, but honestly. APOCALYPSE NOW is bullshit. Life goes on.
M8 do you think London is exploded? No, it's the living, breathing shekel magic capital of the world. Yet the English will nonetheless not be coming back any time soon and we're a tame example by comparison as the number of jihadis we produce is within our ability to watch (mostly, but life goes on) and the issue with integration and enforcement of criminal law is as much a problem of apathetic Britons enabling bumpkins taking advantage of their weakness. That's just with the UK, with moves to curb immigration that may or may not succeed depending upon the result of the referendum, with a growing population amongst whom marxism is not endemic beyond the southern urban centres. For Europe the numbers are so much higher, their populations so much older, so much fewer; London, Malmo, which city will be next, to make Europeans minority in their own lands by invitation. Life goes on, but it will not be European, though it will be within Europe. That will be lost, as it has, and I would not mind if that would be the end of it but seeing how the powerful remnants still push for more immigration even to London I don't think it ever will stop until they are lost. If it all continues exactly the same then a whole people will have made themselves irrelevant in their homeland and the newcomers will not have even learned a thing from their mistakes; if they can build a better country and not just get by with recovery and continual future replacement then this will have all been a pointless exercise in diversity brought upon by marxists for little reason other than they like it because. I look at Merkel telling the decaying Germans left that Germany is losing her social core, then accelerating migration to Germany further, is it not funny?
Life will go on, that I am sure. Even if Europe doesn't sort out their shit before some African or Asian catastrophe triggers a massive migration to Europe because the Commission is willfully pursuing a course of open borders versus foreign development, what is lost is will not result in a collapse of capitalism. Perhaps some rich yuropoors will continue getting by living in their gated communities or rural getaways as if nothing has changed, that would be cute. Yet the fact that it is a fate so easily avoidable just rattles my funny bones! I do wonder how aware Europeans are of what they are doing. What comes to mind is the fact that they control their own media and keep themselves enclosed in their ideological bubbles, and the information they are fed are supposed to influence them - what immediately comes to mind are the Yuros covering up the myriad mass sexual assaults, lynchings, rape gangs, whilst publishing endless damage control, emotional content and even recently with the ESI telling German politicians to speak of the migration rate in the daily rate, as it sounds better to have small numbers daily than millions annually. Then I do think it would be irrelevant what information bubble one lived in, as I doubt you can sincerely believe lots of people moving in to a place will not result in competition, tension and replacement, unless of course you are ideologically in favour of this and simply wish to avoid alarming those who would care. Then again, I shouldn't doubt it.

The fact that there's this much backlash means that the Cathedral or whatever the fuck will fail, there'll be issues for a while integrating however many came in, the EU will either break up or get strained that bit more, and then Kim Jong The Whatever will moon us all on camera with a phallic rocket in the background and we'll go worry about that for a bit.
Yes, America will be fine. Congratulations. This will not be an issue of integration, as the thinkers in charge of this policy have not actually done thinking on what to do once they get more diverse than european people. When you enter into this without a plan, you leave how this will unfold off the rails :)

Reaction to this will push Europe in a new direction politically for a while, polarize shit a bit more, blah blah blah. You can tell me I'm wrong once one of the typically stable European countries collapses into Shariah lack-of-law. There might be an atrocity or two, or something that gets spun as one, but it'll blow over with a lot of fuss and clamor.
Politics is one half fearmongering, one third motivational speeches, and one quarter terrible statistics, charts, and graphs. I'm sick of it.
Perhaps if it was a few thousand people. You don't get to undo this, it's permanent. And frankly I'm sick of telling people they're wrong after everything is irreversibly fucked, so I will continue to tell it until it is and when it is I will tell it as is and drop it because it's too late to do anything but watch and maybe damage control (if there's even the will for it). I talked of the rape gangs before and now that they're commonplace there's not much more to add. Well, other than that we had another one come to light in Bradford. That's a bad example, it's still ongoing. I talked of how the EU's policy was going to result in mass migration. I watched as the migration rate jumped up from tens of thousands, to 800,000, to 1.5million to 3million with some catastrophe like the Iraqi dam collapsing, the central Asian water crisis unfolding or anything in Southern Asia or Africa bad happening at the wrong time and  the numbers would be phenomenal. Well, moreso than they are. Now I've got not much else to say about it, as to people it's just numbers and like you they don't want to hear them, I'm still saddened in how I underestimated when I should've been posting the liberal estimates instead. Alas, the most prudent example is how with returning Jihadi fighters - back when it was still possible to catch them, back when the Danes and Swedes were bringing them home and letting them walk in the Schengen area without being monitored, when they were being caught in the Balkans, when they were being caught at Calais (the only two places that even had any border checks at all), I said if Europe did not act then they would end up in a situation where they are powerless to act. And so they have, with all of them having returned home prestigious - as ones who have actually fought and bled for Salafism, not just ones who have baked a cake or sent paypal euros to Syria. I remember a time where the problems we have in the current year were the butt of jokes, the stuff of banter - things that were deemed so outlandish they were assumed to be impossible. Today banter is reality and reality is banter and it will only get worse because too few people of any power care, or else are not supporting this. I envy you because these atrocities are just a few numbers to you. It's too funny :(

The fact that people are getting angry about it is what makes me think it will blow over. If it was just kinda going quietly on, that's what would get me worried. If everyone just kinda thought 'oh hey you know it's fine' about this stuff, rather than the backlash, then I would be seriously concerned. Backlash is good. Pain tells you there's something wrong, so you can change your behavior.
But you're saying everything will be fine and your view is not the political minority at all. Telling everyone everything is fine is the name of the game. Consider the backlash had in turn, a backlash even larger than the initial movement. There will be no behaviour change, excepting the Eastern Yuropoor countries of course. Seems typical really that the countries least equipped to handle this want to handle it whilst the ones most equipped want to just sit by in apathy and pretend everything will be the same.

Maybe we just have different definitions of evil. But if your son-in-law's family is pressuring your daughter, the solution doesn't seem to be 'stop the muslims' to me. I've got a different perspective on this, perhaps, but calling a politician racist and calling a politician a communist/socialist are two sides of the same coin in America.
This is not about son-in-laws, this is about gangs of men grooming underage girls with drugs and violence into become sex slaves in the thousands with the authorities on the council, judicial, media and police knowing and complicit for a decade and a half. The gangs have been exclusively Pakistani or Bangladeshi (bar one Somalian) rural Muslims deliberately preying on English girls on the perception that their weakness is proof they are slags and that Pakistani girls must be kept pure for marriage. The solution is both to stop them and ultimately to stop their enablers, as they are just symptomatic of the system they have created, and stopping them without changing the system will mean someone else will take their place (or indeed, they will never be stopped).

It feels like the modern equivalent of 'Oh the good old days'. Fuck the time when everyone went to war with everyone else. I'm all for going to war for tyranny, but 'oh no, people don't want to run off and get killed' doesn't seem like a complaint to me.
Hahahaha, this is the folly of reactionaries to think they can go back. No, we are in brave new Europe where we are war with ourselves, and there is no going back. There can only be forward and now. I appreciate the past for what it can teach us, but what matters the most is the good old present. And if you fuck up the good old present, you're going to have a good old future.

I'm not saying to ignore it, I'm saying to cut through the bullshit. Because there is bullshit. There's bullshit everywhere. You can't escape it. That's one of the few things I'm pessimistic about. Signalling games and bullshit redirection and an endless fucking slog uphill to get any truth out of it, and then you have to figure out what biases you might have in filtering the information so as to make sure you have accurate picture and I just want to deal with the problem directly goddamnit. We're all full of it. That's the worst part. I don't even know how much of what I'm saying is genuinely what I'm hoping to say, and how much is my brain trying to do signalling games or misdirections to make people look stupid when my ego isn't looking. I hate it hate it hate it. But I still have to say it.
Now this is why numbers are useful. Look beyond what the media are telling you and just look at the facts. Say what they mean to you and demarcate what is number and what is opinion. Don't filter your information, just grab as much of it as you can. I do not deny myself the viewpoint of others.

Tradition can go to hell. Forge a new tradition, damn it. Forge a new one with every generation. This is the world that brought us music and the internet and food that doesn't have goddamn maggots in it (we have moths in our garage, which is also our pantry for sealed foodstuffs. We took out the unsealed ones after an incident). This is the world where you aren't drafted to fight a war you have no interest in beyond an abstract love of king and country and maybe some ethnic hatred of those weird Spanish people that don't even speak a proper language like Polish or Lithuanian or Southern Costershire King's Queen's High English. So you know what? If our lives are too comfortable and easy, then good. We fucking won, then. And there's enough people with sense to keep the roof up and the walls in place, even if the door's rusted half shut and the pipes leak. Those will get fixed if you give it some time and effort too. Don't give up, don't give in, but don't turn your frustrations onto arbitrary groups because you figure that's the solution. Don't try to burn the house down in order to get rid of the termites. There's fight in us, and there's a fight to be fought. Maybe it's just not quite the one you think it is. Maybe it is the one you think it is. Finding out which war to fight is the first step. And there's a hell of a lot of wars, with a hell of a lot of soldiers.
For 80 years Europe has spent all of its time divorcing each generation from its roots, keeping each generation's head stuck up its own arse looking only to serve their own wants, their own needs, their own feels. Unsurprisingly we get to a point where the generation most apathetic towards its own long dead traditions are the ones who are willing to give their children's country away. How did Europeans respond to sovereign debt? Poison debt is no problem when it's about current growth, left it for future generations. Its consequences strike now. How did Europeans respond to climate change? Environmental deregulation, opposition to nuclear, no worries it will only be future generations jobless breathing coal fumes. Its consequences strike now. Pensions not being paid because the current generation in the current year didn't produce enough kids? Don't worry, we'll just replace them with migrants without job skills. It's consequences strike now, and are being set up for an even larger fall, an even larger demographic bomb. Do you think the world joins you in abandoning tradition? Perhaps it is easier for America, where already it has eroded what few traditions it had. Yet for Europeans to throw away thousands of years of tradition actually means something. We are not the new world, we are the old world. Our new traditions are forged in the old. When Europeans abandoned thousands of years of tradition and literally opened the door to the Old World, they ensured that in this great void of vapid "current generation" consumerism their ways would attain dominance. My morality is Islamic, my name is Hindi, my home is London and I am the majority. This is the Great Rome without a civilization behind it, and so it is that Europe will be overtaken by those who have not given up their tradition. This generation, the one who has had it all so comfortable, who has added nothing of value to their traditions has deemed itself superior to the endless lines of people that built them their comfy lives and whom depended upon them for future living. And so it is that their children will get everything their parents deserved.
But hey, at least they'll be comforted by the knowledge that their ancestors were too busy sitting comfortable in luxury making pop music to actually care. Because that's really what's important in life. Pop music, internet and food. When you live a life of empty consumerism all that is left after consumption is... Shit.
I'd rather keep on keeping on.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #1394 on: March 25, 2016, 06:36:01 am »

There's also the chance of people becoming more reactionary upon arriving in Europe because of the culture shock, which seems to be pretty common when people migrate to new places.

Europeans talking to Middle Easterners: "Let me explain some things about you about the country you live in."

Europeans talking to Americans: "You don't live here so you really have no idea what you're talking about."

I see how noticed the hypocrisy of your original statement. The difference between the two is, of course, that willfor is just being a dismissive ass trolling for a fight, rolepgeek is just talking about how he feels about the situation, while covenant actually brought a sourced argument for why he doesn't believe it is like chaoticag says.
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