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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4110 on: November 29, 2016, 09:14:46 am »

Do you think the public doesn't have a right to know if a disproportionate amount of crimes are being committed by certain groups?
Ignorance is bliss, Swedes do not deserve to see what has become of their country, I would not wish that on my best friend or greatest enemy

Wouldn't such information probably affect public policy on things such as how many refugees the Swedish public want to admit to their country?
It probably wouldn't, Sweden is Sweden for a reason

The recent OSU attack in America (11 hospitalized), for example, was apparently done by a Somali refugee. I'd be very surprised if some people in that area didn't move from a welcoming position to a more security-conscious one as a result of such events.
And here's the video. Wheelchair saviour is at 6 minutes.
Fucking based wheelchair warrior
Reminds me of how the Swedish police couldn't confront rioting migrants because they were throwing rocks at them. The Western world is running 1984 and Brave New World, Sweden is running Demolition Man where their society had become so peaceful they forgot what danger was lol

In german news:
A self-styled 'pickup artist' has taken it upon himself to teach Syrian migrants who want to integrate into German society the best ways to talk to women.
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Horst Wenzel, known as ‘Mr Flirt’, launched a workshop called ‘How to fall in love in Germany” following the huge numbers of migrants arriving in the nation.
Mr Flirt’s tips are designed to help asylum seekers adjust to the German way of life by winning the hearts of women across the country.
One Syrian refugee on the course claimed: “Some German women are a bit racist towards us.
“They don’t know how refugees think or how they are living.”
Last week Mr Flirt held his third class and with almost a dozen people already attending, news of the workshop is slowly getting around.
Mr Flirt suggested taking a woman to a theatre or a cinema for a first date, and avoiding cliches when it comes to compliments.
The classes have been well received by many of the refugees who have attended so far.
Kadib al Ban said: "We are really benefiting from the class - the teacher is telling us how German women think, how to talk to them and understand their traditions."
Another participant said: "There are a lot of differences, not only the culture and religion — we just don't have this total freedom at home”.
It’s not just flirting tips that Wenzel specialises in - he’s also teaching the class about sex, which has apparently caused some embarrassment.
Why would someone leave safety, at risk of losing all their wealth or even their life? Sex of course

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Still, he said, "I'd love to marry a German woman and live with her. She could help me with the language, and she knows the place and the laws much better than I do." Some German women were receptive to the idea. Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!"
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4111 on: November 29, 2016, 09:24:20 am »

Not giving information about criminals is retarded.
1. If you're convicted, your right to privacy is partially forefit anyway, anyone should be able to know you're a murderer or rapist (cue sexual offender song) or you keep stealing shit from work.
2. It's not racism if it's true. If more black and hispanic people commit crimes in New York (sorry for Amerixample but I recently saw statistics for it and I don't know them for Europe)  it doesn't mean there is a problem with black populace but rather the black populace has a problem and something should be done to help them not end up as criminals instead of trying to cover it up and pretend it's not happening - thats pretty stupid tbh, and I can totally see people seeing every unspecified criminal as black muslim midget from Somalia.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4112 on: November 29, 2016, 09:26:57 am »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

Would someone be so kind as to tell me why this is not so bad as it seems to me? Because I really don't want to believa that Sweden is completely fucked.
Yay! This is awesome. What a way to "solve" the problem! Why try to reduce crime rate in some social group? You can pretend this group doesn't exist!
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4113 on: November 29, 2016, 09:33:58 am »

That German woman saying German men are 'just so white', fucking hell. That self-abnegation, that hatred of your own culture and history. It's like the great rot within western culture, starting in an innocuous patch on the trunk and slowly spreading out to every branch. Eventually the tree will be weak enough that it'll topple in the next storm.
You gotta admit 200 years from now they'll make some dank stories about this era, expect infinite puns on stockholm syndrome and the white devil

I like to imagine what I'd do were I mayor of a dwarven fortress, and all one of the dwarves living there did was keep talking about how dwarves were ignorant and short and obsessed with mining, and saying that they much preferred elves instead. Hopefully at the very least I'd have a trapdoor that dropped them into a room with a giant cave spider.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4114 on: November 29, 2016, 09:38:08 am »

2. It's not racism if it's true.
Correlation does not imply causation, though. I think it has been shown that the racial bias could be clearly explained by the black/refugee population being mostly poor people, and poor people are significantly more likely to commit criminal acts regardless of race.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4115 on: November 29, 2016, 09:42:00 am »

Do you think the public doesn't have a right to know if a disproportionate amount of crimes are being committed by certain groups?

What are you saying here? 'cause it seems to me that you're suggesting that if one person in a "certain group" commits a crime, all persons in that "certain group" must be criminals.

By "certain group", I also assume you mean "immigrant", yes?
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4116 on: November 29, 2016, 09:50:16 am »

2. It's not racism if it's true.
Correlation does not imply causation, though. I think it has been shown that the racial bias could be clearly explained by the black/refugee population being mostly poor people, and poor people are significantly more likely to commit criminal acts regardless of race.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you cut the whole second portion of my argument which said exactly what you meant in different way. This is exactly why nothing will ever be done about it, because the second someone mentions it they're instantly labeled as racists. As I said, it's not some genetic stuff that makes blacks and refugees commit crimes, it's rather their situation. If you don't bring attention to it and claim it doesn't happen, you're helping the situation to be as it is now. That's bad.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4117 on: November 29, 2016, 09:52:10 am »

What are you saying here? 'cause it seems to me that you're suggesting that if one person in a "certain group" commits a crime, all persons in that "certain group" must be criminals.
By "certain group", I also assume you mean "immigrant", yes?
Not all, disproportionate doesn't mean all, it's a high ratio not 1

>Implying I wouldn't be strictly controlling who had access to my precious magma.
Any subversion or conspiracy would be swiftly dealt with by my Praetorian Axelords.
This sounds like a great story, King Midas but instead of hoarding gold he hoards magma
His downfall happens when he is cursed, everything he touches turns to magma. It is a very short story

It's for the public to look at all the evidence involved and come to their own conclusions, not for the police or government to do it for us and decide 'You don't need to see this information'.
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But yeah in all practicality, when you deliberately have an informational blind spot you have an uninformed electorate who are unable to pressure their politicians, which breaks in a democracy
Very practical usefuleness from time to time

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4118 on: November 29, 2016, 10:03:15 am »

When you have gaps in information such as this, you leave it up to anyone else to fill in the missing gaps. Considering how well the alt-right handles said missing gaps, you'll find the issue of painting all of X as criminals exasperated rather than reduced.
Reminds me of the liberal commentary in the Guardian when the first trafficking gangs started getting brought to light; the commentary astutely garnered the obvious, that by suppressing all information about migrant crime, not only were they creating a backlash that would be far worse than if everyone was knowledgeable about it, it undermined the authority of the police, media and basically ensured the only people who talked about it were alternative news sites. Of course no one learned a thing from it and we're still running through the same process of sticking our heads in the sand and getting surprised when we saw nothing

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4119 on: November 29, 2016, 10:16:32 am »

Hiding the statistic is just a way for the guys in charge of justice to avoid doing its job.

Peoples that get in a foreign culture and start poor will cause a rise of common criminality. Peoples that are well established in society and have some wealth to themselves may commit other kind of crimes. Both are not punished but at some point you get tired of having yet another aggression in your social circle.
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« Reply #4120 on: November 29, 2016, 10:21:10 am »

What are you saying here? 'cause it seems to me that you're suggesting that if one person in a "certain group" commits a crime, all persons in that "certain group" must be criminals.
By "certain group", I also assume you mean "immigrant", yes?
Not all, disproportionate doesn't mean all, it's a high ratio not 1
Disproportionate means abnormally high or low, conveniently ignoring the content of the point in favour of semantics.

In the very next sentence, though, Covenant then suggests public policy might limit refugees based on these figures. Strikes me as a bit silly to essentially punish the entirety of a group based on the actions of a few.
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« Reply #4121 on: November 29, 2016, 10:31:06 am »

Guys, poverty, inequality and cultural difference means crime, that's not really up to debate. The thing is, you can implement policies to mitigate that greatly, and that's not up to debate either.

The question is whether or not you do it.
In Europe you can see where and how well it's been done, different demographic at different time got assimilated more or less efficiently.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4122 on: November 29, 2016, 10:36:59 am »

Disproportionate means abnormally high or low, conveniently ignoring the content of the point in favour of semantics.
It's not ignoring the content of your point, it's rejecting it
Disproportionate does not mean all

In the very next sentence, though, Covenant then suggests public policy might limit refugees based on these figures. Strikes me as a bit silly to essentially punish the entirety of a group based on the actions of a few.
Seems a bit silly to think people who don't want to live with higher violent crime are punishing refugees for having security concerns; the EU has conflated being an open door doormat with being humanitarian - a dangerous confusion

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« Reply #4123 on: November 29, 2016, 11:41:19 am »

And furthermore - higher immigration rate increases the segregation between immigrants and natives, which increases poverty and crimerate.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #4124 on: November 29, 2016, 12:07:58 pm »

Oh, God... I find it rather fitting that I have not heard of that wheelchair episode until today, here. I believe it has flown under the radar, as it were.

I can comfirm that there is a very real tendency in the press and amongst the authorities of Sweden to report or describe incidents in a way that could reflect badly on immigrants and related areas. And it is absolute rubbish...
It's pathological, this unreasonable phobia of in any way, shape or form give wind in the sails of the nationalist groups, and it is utterly meaningless, of course, because this silence drives more and more people into their arms. And the attempts, well-meaning as they might be, to counter-act this does not help, either.
Then there is the spiking sex crime. Groups of foreign teenage men (some of which considerably older, but raising that sort of suspicion is racist) mugging and raping people as they see fit. Since they are legally children (and because up until very recently, it was the height of racism to suggest that they should be examined to verify their stated age), they recieve no punishment worth mentioning, besides perhaps a few months of detention at a juvenile treatment centre. The government, and large parts of the mainstream media, seems to believe that the best way to ensure these facts does not help the nationalists is to keep it quiet.
And, to put it bluntly, the ideological leaders and preachers of this self-destructive migration policy lose nothing. They can claim the nice feeling and the accolades of being "open and tolerant", while not having to pay the price. That falls to the general public. People who have to live with their decisions, and take the results and responsibilities that are inevitable when the only thing they will do is "the good thing to do", the "open hearted and tolerant" thing to do. When hard decisions that does not "feel right" are declined or avoided, and the results of it trickle down into the reality of the citizen. So many politicians and public servants can no longer be trusted to make hard decisions, like they should, and the public is paying the price for that.

Another interesting fact; the mainstream nationalist party (of sorts) is currently the third largest party in parliament. They are still treated as a political pariah, and many polititans that ought to know better are still prepared to do whatever it takes to deny them influence, to the detriment to everything else. This, of course, only makes it more popular, as a thorn in the side of the establishment. It cannot be strangled to death by refusing to play ball, and the first party group to swallow their pride and adjust to reality will have a great advantage.
It is a shame that the climate and the actions of polititians continue to feed their popularity, because as of now, none of the outspoken nationalist groups are fit to govern. Their policies are rough, half-baked and the candidates range from enthustiastic amateurs to ill-mannered thugs. And if, possibly when, they get a decisive hold of power, it will not be the fault of the "stupid, uneducated, selfish rednecks" (and equivolents)' fault. It will be the fault of those holding this miserable charade going.

Now, I cannot remember ever asking for all this. I do not want this, and I never did. Yet, there is this idea that this is what I want. Truth be told, I'd very much like my country back. I'm so awfully, awfully tired. Tired of it all. And, I suppose, ashamed of being Swedish. Ashamed to see what is happening. Tired, because there is not much one little man like I can do. It is like a nightmare.

And yet, packing my bags and going somewhere more reasonable would be worse. This creaking, rotting old ship (in a storm, with a fire in the galley, the captain dead-drunk and the rats establishing a caliphate in the cargo hold) is the one I'm stuck with, and the one I like best. I would rather fail in doing my part to it get back to harbour than watch it sink safely from afar.
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