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[hector13]

Propose
Having the soul sphere doesn't give you a discount for creating creatures with souls.

Saukko

Oppose

[Fiery_Death]

Propose
Having the soul sphere doesn't give you a discount for creating creatures with souls.

Oppose.

"This is a foolish attempt to limit the power of a god's only sphere."

[Fiery_Death]

((Some changes to the demons, before they get created and it is more difficult to change them))

Luuc looks at the dormant demons, and decides to make some changes. He removes their souls, so when they die they are destroyed, and do not go to any afterlife plane. He replaces their internals with a black oily substance called Demon Essence, and toughens their skin, making it more like a shell that contains the demon essence, and pressurizes the demon essence so that if they shell is destroyed, the demon will explode and the demon essence will cover everything within a meter radius of the demon.

Spoiler: Demons (click to show/hide)

Demons are humanoid creatures, entirely black and some have small horns, others have tusks, and more still have wings (non-functional),and some have a combination of those features. They are composed of demon essence held in shape by a shell that resembles skin, but coloured black. They will readily attack any living mortal creature they see in the Underworld.

Spoiler: Demon Essence (click to show/hide)

demon Essence has the physical properties of oil, being thick and oily. If it gets on skin or a similar thing on a living mortal creature, it will start to burn, like acid. If it gets into the blood of a living mortal creature, it will act like a poison, that can only be removed by any healing magic. If it ends up on the ground, on a non-living object, or in water, or a similar substance, it will dissipate and return to the Underworld.

Luuc uses however much Essence is necessary, if any, to do this, except if it would kill him.

If Luuc has enough Essence, he will use 4.5 (or rounded up to 5) Essence to add the Strength+1 trait to his smart, wise humans.

[Happy Demon]

[Axt, God of Enchanted Weapons]

Propose
Having the soul sphere doesn't give you a discount for creating creatures with souls.

Oppose
"The soul sphere does not give such a discount to begin with. Creating a soulless creature costs no less than one with a soul.
A soulless creature is simply one who cannot have an afterlife. Having a soul will only apply a cost once such a trait is passed.
Now that I think of it, I should make some soulless creatures. After I get some Essence to work with."

[Andres]

"Essence can be gained through the worship of soulless creatures? You tested this concept?"

[Happy Demon]

[Axt, God of Enchanted Weapons]

"Essence can be gained through the worship of soulless creatures? You tested this concept?"

"Not every thing needs to be tested. I have seen it in my previous universe, the gods grant the mortals souls, but they can still worship before then.
The souls simply grants one better leverage to convince the mortals. Threaten apostates with eternal torment after life, and the mortals will repent.
One fears death, like every, so all mortals accept souls. With little thought of the downsides. One can curse a soul. A body, not as easily."

[Detoxicated]

"So I understand nobody wants to talk about maps for the world we have at hand?"

[hector13]

"Perhaps we should discuss a process for creating agents. The Titans don't really fit the bill, as far as I'm concerned."

[Chevaleresse]

Propose: Cull Idlers: If a god does nothing for 5 ticks (does not vote, speak, or perform an action), that god is considered to be idle. An idle god is invulnerable to attack, but does not receive essence income. If a god is idle for 5 ticks, they dissipate, donating their essence evenly to all currently active gods and then dying with no chance of revival. All populations that worshipped them become atheistic and must be converted to a different god, unless said populations are already worshipping one or more other gods.

Request a general census of overall mortal populations.

"That would be agreeable to us. How about a base cost of 1E, and rather than free resurrective immortality, that agent can be re-created at a greatly reduced cost if destroyed?"

[hector13]

Propose: Cull Idlers: a) If a god does nothing for 5 ticks (does not vote, speak, or perform an action), that god is considered to be idle. An idle god is invulnerable to attack, but does not receive essence income.

Saukko

Support

Cull Idlers: b) If a god is idle for 5 ticks, they dissipate, donating their essence evenly to all currently active gods and then dying with no chance of revival. All populations that worshipped them become atheistic and must be converted to a different god, unless said populations are already worshipping one or more other gods.

Oppose

"That would be agreeable to us. How about a base cost of 1E, and rather than free resurrective immortality, that agent can be re-created at a greatly reduced cost if destroyed?"

"I feel that the agent creation mechanic should allow any of the gods who have created Titans to designate them as an agent should they so desire, though they would have started with a base cost of 0.004E, which requires charging them a bit extra for it if the base cost is going to be 250 times higher."

[Chevaleresse]

"Hm. That's a good point. Perhaps an addendum that retroactively marks them as agents? Or making the agent designation have a simple flat cost that's added to however much essence it took to create the creature, rather than a multiplier."

[Detoxicated]

"So I understand that there is many different agent levels. Those agents work at different levels and at different scales. There is beings like the three ancients I made, that are relatively small in comparison to the moon whale and the snake, who are gigantic. Because these gigantic beings are so big their purpose is an entirely different one than the ones at mortal level. Still they hold some similarities, as they all should be immortal. They also should be intimately tied to their creator, but also to their purpose. If the initial purpose of my ancients was to train the people of Gnu, then me forcing them to untrain them all should result in second-thoughts in these beings.

Since they are thought to be absolutely divine, their personality is more important than their abilities, as it is likely that they are unmatched by any mortal and only another agent could even attempt to destroy your agent. So the mortal traits don't apply at all. I think we should decide on a number based system like this:
Strength
Intelligence
Wisdom
Endurance
Dexterity
Charisma

Depending on the amount of essence you want to spend you could buy statpoints that would raise these stats. Say +1 would cost 1, and then from there on always the double of the previous price (1,2,4,8...) Using 5 Essence would grant you for instance 15 statpoints. Using 10 Essence you would get 30 Statpoints. Using 20 Essence you would get 60 Statpoints.

So if I were to create the Centurio Eternium, the mighty defender of my academy. I would use 5 Essence

Strength +2
Intelligence +1
Wisdom +1
Endurance +3
Dexterity +2
Charisma

His appearance would be fluff. I would say his Endurance comes from his special armour he wears, which cannot be removed as it is him. Another god might create an agent with similar stats, and say: He keeps on regrowing tentacles that replace cut off parts.
After putting stats one should focus on the personality and purpose of the being. The purpose is the mission you give to him. The personality should be based off of traits given to him. This should be a list of at least five addjectives that describe a personality.

In the case of Centurio Eternium I would write: Purpose: Protect the Academy from invasions and threats within. Personality: Disciplined, Uncaring, Just, Proud, Paranoid.

With this list of traits the One that calculates could work in details of behaviour. Like: Centurio Eternium suspects that some spirits of the Academy teach forbidden knowledge to the undisiciplined."

Propose: Cull Idlers: If a god does nothing for 5 ticks (does not vote, speak, or perform an action), that god is considered to be idle. An idle god is invulnerable to attack, but does not receive essence income. If a god is idle for 5 ticks, they dissipate, donating their essence evenly to all currently active gods and then dying with no chance of revival. All populations that worshipped them become atheistic and must be converted to a different god, unless said populations are already worshipping one or more other gods.

Request a general census of overall mortal populations.

Support Both

[Fiery_Death]

Propose: Cull Idlers: a) If a god does nothing for 5 ticks (does not vote, speak, or perform an action), that god is considered to be idle. An idle god is invulnerable to attack, but does not receive essence income.

Support

b) If a god is idle for 5 ticks, they dissipate, donating their essence evenly to all currently active gods and then dying with no chance of revival. All populations that worshipped them become atheistic and must be converted to a different god, unless said populations are already worshipping one or more other gods.

Oppose

[hector13]

Spoiler: spoiler for space (click to show/hide)

"So I understand that there is many different agent levels. Those agents work at different levels and at different scales. There is beings like the three ancients I made, that are relatively small in comparison to the moon whale and the snake, who are gigantic. Because these gigantic beings are so big their purpose is an entirely different one than the ones at mortal level. Still they hold some similarities, as they all should be immortal. They also should be intimately tied to their creator, but also to their purpose. If the initial purpose of my ancients was to train the people of Gnu, then me forcing them to untrain them all should result in second-thoughts in these beings.

Since they are thought to be absolutely divine, their personality is more important than their abilities, as it is likely that they are unmatched by any mortal and only another agent could even attempt to destroy your agent. So the mortal traits don't apply at all. I think we should decide on a number based system like this:
Strength
Intelligence
Wisdom
Endurance
Dexterity
Charisma

Depending on the amount of essence you want to spend you could buy statpoints that would raise these stats. Say +1 would cost 1, and then from there on always the double of the previous price (1,2,4,8...) Using 5 Essence would grant you for instance 15 statpoints. Using 10 Essence you would get 30 Statpoints. Using 20 Essence you would get 60 Statpoints.

So if I were to create the Centurio Eternium, the mighty defender of my academy. I would use 5 Essence

Strength +2
Intelligence +1
Wisdom +1
Endurance +3
Dexterity +2
Charisma

His appearance would be fluff. I would say his Endurance comes from his special armour he wears, which cannot be removed as it is him. Another god might create an agent with similar stats, and say: He keeps on regrowing tentacles that replace cut off parts.
After putting stats one should focus on the personality and purpose of the being. The purpose is the mission you give to him. The personality should be based off of traits given to him. This should be a list of at least five addjectives that describe a personality.

In the case of Centurio Eternium I would write: Purpose: Protect the Academy from invasions and threats within. Personality: Disciplined, Uncaring, Just, Proud, Paranoid.

With this list of traits the One that calculates could work in details of behaviour. Like: Centurio Eternium suspects that some spirits of the Academy teach forbidden knowledge to the undisiciplined."

"This sounds like a good idea to me, though special abilities may need to be made to differentiate agents further, and for- well, special abilities. These should cost a certain number of stat points, agreed upon by the Council via proposal."

[Stirk]

Munroe creates 4E Fulminates with the bribe money paid by Malakath.