Seems most suitable here. Seems that MPs are becoming upset with May's refusal to do what she said she would.
Challenged about his views on torture, Russia, banning Muslims and punishment for abortion by BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, Mr Trump joked to Mrs May: "This was your choice of a question. There goes that relationship."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/theresa-may-meets-donald-trump-white-house-live/
The threat is palpable; if May publicly humiliates Trump, he will retaliate against our nation. I'm glad she chose the path of tact over the path of Miliband; centipedes trump milipedes
She's REALLY beginning to feel like a Thatcher wannabe. Loves the idea, but no actual ability to carry it out...
For those that want a condensed version, May said that she'd be frank with Trump about things that are disagreeable, then basically went 'Well... the ban... That's- that's your thing. We can't concern ourselves with that.'
It goes deeper than that, Theresa May is the face of Brexit and Trump is the face of MAGA, together they are leading two of the most vehemently reviled occurrences to have graced the liberal world, and they represent those reviled movements. Today they are in power, thus they must act swiftly or else all attempts to delegitimize them will succeed. Together, their chances of success dramatically increase, divided, diminish rapidly. This is made all the more difficult with the unusual dynamic of the calm and assured spylord dealing with the erratic and proud magnate. The focus is very much on the domestic political theatre, no one for example cared or noticed that Theresa May has continued security arrangements and visits with the likes of the Gulf States or Saudi Arabia, but they have very much noticed her visit to the USA - it is clear, people do not care if you sell weapons that will kill many in foreign lands, what they care about is preserving their liberal values in their homelands. Thus the cry is: Protect British values, which is odd, as these are coming from the same progressives who only years ago attacked the very notion of British values existing. Very mercenary world we live in, this is why it is best not to get too invested in politics and instead in morality, because in politics, one must make compromise and fail their own principles in whole.
To that end, I find May has commendably managed to secure all she said in houses of Parliament; she got Trump to back down on torture after her speech to the GOP, and now he has deferred to his intelligence advisers that torture does not work. Most relevant to us, she confirmed that the UK and USA were not going to have the frigid relationship it did under Obama, but the roaring relationship that is UK-US relations. Most relevant to the world, she got Trump to completely U-turn on NATO,
going from saying NATO is obsolete to being 100% behind NATO.
Moreover, there is one additional thing. The EU placed Guy Verhofstadt on the EU-UK negotiating table.
He has no respect for the UK and is determined to ensure we get the worse terms possible. Currently most national leaders of Europe are with us in that they want us to leave ASAP and leave amicably, the presence of hardliners like Guy force us to be cautious, and more importantly, remind people like Guy that we have MAD available - unleash the Trump.
Does she feel like a Thatcher wannabe to you? I say ignore your feelings, such things are often too much based on the petty and superficial, i.e. both Thatcher and May are Tory PMs and women. The comparisons are not particularly warranted, given that Thatcher and May do not share much in the way of policy, especially in regards to protecting British workers and globalization - May is not neoliberal. Likewise there is some rather apt symbolism in Thatcher integrating our nation into the European Single Market whilst May is working to uncouple us from the ESM. If this comparison was solely founded on appearances I could perhaps understand that, but in appearances Thatcher was frank whilst May is subtle, one led a nation through war and discontent whilst the other watched and planned before times of discontent.
Trump is going to be enough of a disaster for the US alone. TBH, hoping that he will help the British out seems to me like wistful thinking. There's no way a protectionist leader bent on trying to bully up every single trading partner he has (to his own detriment) will act any different towards the UK because of some sentiment of anglo-saxon kinship.
The thing I've been sitting thinking is that sure, Britain might be at the beginning of the queue all of a sudden, but it's TRUMP. I'd doubt he'd give us a beneficial trade deal.
It is entirely possible he may attempt to screw us over, or in his enthusiasm, accidentally screws us over. One can only wait and see; I'm optimistic on the matter. My main concern is in regards to the NHS alongside most of the country as usual, while Trump killing the TTIP is a good sign, I need the ocular proof before I feel safe to cast judgement. Fortunately, his actions
will be overseen by the Congress of the US, though perhaps that could be a source of additional concern.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38786576
After seeing how she lost support by not telling Trump that his immigration policy is idiotic, it seems Theresa decided that she was going to try and fix the situation. Leastways, that's how it seems to me. Call me cynical.
She's trying her hardest to be assertive, but seems to show as much spine as a mollusc on the international stage, and flip flops enough to be a regular sight on the beach.
The former fuccboi leadership of the Tory party called Theresa May: Submarine May, based on her habit of disappearing whenever Cameron needed her support in the Remain campaign. Her one appearance was a boon to the Leave campaign, stating it was impossible to control the UK's borders whilst within the EU. It is notable too that before all these Brexit campaigns began and the Tory party were one united victorious front, May was one who stood relatively alone; whereas Gove, Johnson, Osborne and Cameron were all in favour of further market liberalization, immigration and integration, May started talking about the poor Britons who had been left behind by our ambitious globalization. Her speech was not as well received, being that it was in favour of labour voters after all whilst against the Tory leadership grain - joking that she hadn't got the memo. Such decisions show she is either extraordinarily lucky, or she was perspicacious and saw which way the wind blew when all other colleagues of hers saw in a word, London. In nearly everything she says, there is always a reminder to her colleagues (and now her underlings) to be in touch with their constituents, the grass-roots, because it makes the whole system of British democracy more responsive and is ultimately the reason why all of them are where they are now. I was immensely pleased by how much time May spent thanking her constituents to say the least, and especially pleased when she started quietly removing sycophants or reminded civil servants to speak their mind instead of speaking what they thought she wanted to hear.
She has her spine but trying hard to be assertive is not something I think accurately describes her. Certain leaders like your Putins, Merkels and Trumps, they are assertive leaders, and only Trump is loudly and forcefully so, with the former two being assertive with even the quietest tones. May, I find, makes little effort to appear assertive, instead making great effort to be sartorial and unthreatening. That is to say, appear weak when you are strong, and be adaptable, tailoring yourself to whomever you seek things from.
Is May strong when she appears weak? She has no opposition in the UK, she emerged as the victor in a leadership contest where no one knew her name, her meteoric rise to power was founded on being the strong home secretary who never seemed to threaten anyone. Submarine May. Particularly interesting is BBC news's decision to, whenever MPs speak in Parliament, to show their names, intentions to vote and how their constituency voted. Thus any MP who votes against their constituency will end their own career -
especially prudent given how this divides Labour against Corbyn. Whilst Corbyn had to back down on forcing his MPs to vote in favour of article 50, the Tory party is complying with May. So much has gone on, and May does it unnoticed, which is how she appears to favour acting - I do wonder if she will be any good in public debates in the future. I suppose it will be irrelevant if she delivers a successful Brexit. To conclude, strong or weak? She has principles, which she is yet to betray, for that I am cautiously grateful.
The petition to stop a state visit by Trump has reached 1 million signatories.
May said that she's refusing to stop it because it would be appealing to populism.
I'm beginning to wonder if she's TRYING to tank the public opinion of her.
Who are these people who signed this petition? They are the same people who signed the last one, and have been met with the same response. This is unsurprising for many reasons.
The first is that Trump is proud, and will not tolerate such insults. People hypothesize that Trump only decided to become president because Obama roasted him
once, and Trump then decided to become President and destroy Obama's entire legacy whilst making everyone who mocked him bow down to him. If there is any truth to this rumour, it is wise not to provoke such a petty, and powerful man.
Secondly, Trump is needed by the UK - more on that later, to add some serious teeth to our negotiations. What would attacking Trump in this moment serve? It would alienate the most powerful nation on the planet, whilst adding us to the score of nations condemning him who already hate us for threatening their globalist project. This would leave us nearly isolated from any powerful nation that isn't run by autocrats who execute apostates for leaving Islam, this is counterproductive for the times ahead in addition to any humanitarian goals.
Third, by ignoring all the progressives who would never in their lives vote for the Mother of Brexit, Theresa May is the only leader of a Western nation to not oppose Trump, at little cost. Far be it, Theresa May is one of the few politicians who focuses on listening to constituents over celebrities, if we listened to the trendy opinion over the popular opinion there wouldn't even be Brexit to begin with. Thus for four years at the least, we are going to be the only ally Trump can rely on in the West. If we joined the ranks of the EU, we would win no favour with the EU for obvious reasons, the USA would not trust us to be beholden to short term passions over national ambitions. She would not be able to live down or allay her voters over the hypocrisy of restoring our national sovereignty to remove foreign control over our democracy only to go and tell foreign citizens how to run their country. Thus this action costs her nothing but nerves, and gains our country much.
I forecast this will end the same way as the last time we considered banning Trump from the UK.
Labour and the Liberal Democrats will talk about how much Trump is antithetical to British values.
Sadiq Khan will offer Trump to come visit a mosque.
One of Theresa May's people will talk about how it's inappropriate to treat international politics on a personal level.
The Tory party will talk about how they disagree with Trump in such a way that Trump wouldn't figure it out.
There will be a protest in London, and upon Trump's visit, many socialists will be in furor.
Fox News will talk about how Theresa May's disagreement is criticism of Trump.
BBC news will talk about how Theresa May is criticized for not criticizing Trump.
Everyone will continue to ignore that Muslims aren't one community, or ignore Merkel's summer of slaughter.
Well, it really depends. He seems to dislike the EU, so it's not impossible that he offers Britain good terms to encourage others. Unlikely, but not impossible.
He's going to offer Britain good terms because the UK and USA are inexorably linked, and amicably linked, and already immensely cooperative even on issues of highest concern to world security. The UK married into the EU, but the USA and UK are family.
Clinton and Obama wanted to punish the UK for leaving the EU, because they are not anglophiles and have no interest in the UK. Heck, Obama was the most Anglophobic President since Roosevelt, Trump was a Godsent saviour of the special relationship, supporting our decision when so many liberal leaders of the world dared to tell us how to think.
That doesn't mean the EU is safe however,
as Trump does want to destroy the EU. It is undemocratic, it is completely allergic to the very notion of the nation-state and probably the greatest bastion of progressivism in the world, by breaking it apart Trump gains more allies. That shouldn't be too hard, the EU is struggling under the weight of the Eurozone crisis, the complete disillusionment of Europeans, the earthquake of mass migration and the vast increase in costs of defence, both against internal islamists and external Russians and more islamists. Trump threatening to pull out of NATO would have meant the European nations could not rely on the USA for protection, which means the EU would have had to foot the cost of protection equivalent to the US military.
Might talks at the end of the day, and as the EU has to increase taxes, as none of its problems get better but instead grow worse, as it centralizes more power and grows less responsive to its people, as attacks repeat its death becomes certain.
Theresa May is working towards ensuring that Trump does not destroy the EU in return for the Germans, French, Dutch and Italians ensuring that the EU does not harm the UK. Hence how valuable Theresa May getting Trump to U-turn on NATO is so valuable, she is now the only foreign leader in the world to have actually changed Trump's mind on something, and to the benefit of Europe. If the EU does not play nice with Theresa May, then she will have to make alternative arrangements. Without Theresa May cautioning Trump against a campaign versus the EU, the only Anglo in Trump's ear will be Nigel Farage.
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