What I wouldn't give for a proper ISO...
ToonymanI had a note in my file to go read through Toonyman's posts and see what I thought of them, and there... really isn't much to talk about, despite having a fairly normal post count and several reasonably long posts. I only found three posts with anything of value, which I've listed below, but in summary: he thinks heydude's actions are anti-mafia, he thinks heydude and icy aren't on the same scumteam, and he has a small reads list in his most recent megapost. I'm excluding the meta bickering with dolores because frankly it's just uninteresting butting of heads, and the rest of it is just various mockery, grumbling, and aggravation. His early posts in the thread were thoroughly uninspired, little more than jumping on the spastic newbies and asking a couple customary RVS questions before following the spazzes down the rabbithole. As mentioned, his most recent megapost feels better, but all in all he still feels like a scum phoning in D1.
@Heydude:
In other words, someone just maliciously targeted me with a day action. It was at 10:02:06 pm, which is 1 minute and 2 seconds after Toaster's post. I think I must have been doing too good of job as town then.
Who do you think is the most likely suspect?
This strikes me as anti-mafia. A scum member would definitely be cautious and check it over first with their buddies, if they even decided to say anything at all, before giving information to the town. I don't think Heydude is mafia, and probably not malicious either.
@NJW2000:
What gives, Toony?
Are you reading the thread? Unless Heydude and IcyTea are bussing each other (which I highly highly doubt on Day 1), they both claim a PM "a couple minutes" from each other:
Unfortunately, though I did get a mafia reaction eventually (which I am proud of), it wasn't through a post but through an anonymous day action, leaving you as the only person to attack me and be read.
Saying once more because it's important: this didn't happen. I received my PM before you made that post, and only a couple minutes after time you said you received it.
In my opinion, this makes it incredibly unlikely they're on the same team.
@TricMagic:
I can answer the question of the badge seller. So long as I am alive new stock will be added each phase. I didn't expect everyone to instantly get 100 pons though, otherwise I would have picked a different badge to sell. Specifically the No Bonk Badge which causes kills you do to fail.
Why didn't you pick the No Bonk Badge in the first place?
Also, you turned onto me pretty quickly Toony
Did I? I can only recall finding you scummy and evasive.
@Luckyowl:
Juicebox: I understand my playstyle is weird. But you really have to trust me("he said trust me!, he's scum!). I got some townsread on a few. But, I'm not really good at the whole argument and debating. What I'm really looking forward is catching the scum through mechanics than words. And looking at my roles I'm confidence on catching the Mafia next night. I just need to find my fellow townies so we can work together. Right now, I'm extending my trust on Nirur Torir, and ToonyMan. I still have a day action and hopefully out of the three that I trust will make use of my day action. If I'm to die right here.
Really don't know what to say to this other than Why? Given that two actions seem to have gone off already I'm hoping there aren't any more.
I haven't done any action yet and my action is more of a Support action.
Oookay...
@NJW2000:
In any case: IcyTea claims the PMs weren't even sent at the same time, rather at least a couple of minutes apart. There's definitely the possibility that heydude was sent his even earlier. Also, even if IcyTea can be considered to have 100% confirmed that heydude was completely truthful about the times, the following logic holds
I think I can see what you're saying. Let me try to break this down:
Case 1:
1. Heydude is the contract sender
2. Heydude sends a contract to IcyTea and then claims he was targeted as well
3. Heydude fakes a contract that incriminates IcyTea, nearly getting him modkilled
4. IcyTea obviously calls him out for lying
5. Heydude backs down off IcyTea
I think this is more likely than Case 2. Heydude could be town or mafia here, but I don't believe this right now.
Case 2:
1. The contract sender is someone else, possibly on a scum team with Heydude
2. Heydude "receives" the contract earlier than he claims, possibly coordinates with his buddies first
3. Heydude pretends to flip out and creates a fake PM that incriminates IcyTea, nearly getting him modkilled
4. IcyTea also claims to have received a contract, obviously calls Heydude out for lying, is able to verify the contents
5. Heydude backs down off IcyTea
This only makes sense if Heydude is scum, but I don't believe this is true either. It implies Heydude and the contract sender are on the same team, and it makes their actions baffling just to take down IcyTea, who was already a lynch candidate.
So Toonyman, why is rapidly sharing information someone else has anyway indicative that the sharer is town?
My impression from Heydude's panicking is that he didn't know anyone else had that information and wanted to help town ASAP, did you know?
@FallacyofUrist:
Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, 4maskwolf, I also have my eyes on y'all.
I was also fried today. I assume this was your doing. I don't know what this entails but we shall see.
Oddly enough though, even though the Tric train is biggest right now, only my vote on him has substance behind it. Leafsnail's vote on him was an RVS vote and Toony / Vector's votes barely had justification behind it at all.
Bite me.
@dolores:
ToonyMan: what's your position on the alignments of dolores and ICT? Why have you dropped the strand of ICT self-voting in RVS that made you want to go after him? Why aren't you voting for me, is just because you feel very strongly that TricMagic needs to be lynched?
I've come to the conclusion that we don't agree on a metaplay level, and I don't think your scum hunting has stood out as bad so far so whatever.
IcyTea stopped voting himself so I'm a bit happy about that too, but I don't believe their alignment one way or the other yet.
'Scum' players (4maskwolf, Leafsnail, TricMagic, ToonyMan): it'd help a lot if you could post a set of articulated reads, particularly 4mask/Leaf/Tric since I don't know what you're thinking and where your opinions are at in the game so far.
Sure.
4maskwolf - can't say
Leafsnail, he's being way too quiet, I can confirm this is a scumtell of his
TricMagic, survivor at best, incredibly unhelpful, wants IcyTea dead for his own benefit
Some other thoughts I don't know where to put:
Jim Groovester is being very laaazy which I think is a scumtell of his
Luckyowl strikes me as newbie town, after playing with them in Bastard Paranormal 3
Juicebox feels like 4maskwolf to me right now, don't know
Toaster and Vector haven't pressured me at all, but I also agree with their points, unsure of them.
has been added to my townpile for time being. Despite his whole "oh I don't play D1" schtick he's actually got more content of more value than most of the other players, focused around actually playing the daygame rather than mucking about in the mechanical weeds that we'll barely be able to even see, much less understand.
Also,
NQT, I'm curious why you thought my case on FoU could actually go anywhere quite a while after FoU had changed tact from the thing I voted him for.
That's all for now, I have more thoughts but I need to reread a previous game to contextualize one of them.
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