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[Duke 2.0]

 Screw sounds, guide yourself by taste and smell alone.

 Come here scout with candy cane yesssss

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

I am truly a battle engie. I tried to go back to a normal turret but I just can't do anything with it. I can place the mini turret wherever I like and listen to the ding's of success as the game tells me of each and every hit. I also now have that shotgun that gives criticals after your turret goes down for every kill it made. So much fun!

[jester]

Im a fairly hardcore battle engi, protip:  lvl2 2 sentries are rather useful, smaller hitbox, fast turning, decent health and small enough to hide behind rocks/crates but big enough to hide behind, but still with enough damage output to kill all but the heavy if they dont see it coming.  If you are standing on a 200 metal you can build one up in >10 seconds, dump it somewhere unexpected and run off.  Pointing the sentry at a wall somewhere enemies will run past without looking will give them time to move out into the open before it gets turned around and shooting.

  I agree that the short circuit is a useless bit of crap.  MAYBE you can stop 5 rockets if you have full metal, but then you have no more metal and the solli is reloading on full health.  The pistol on the other hand.... If you can see it, you can hurt it, sweet fire rate, accuracy and you will never run out of ammo.  Basically a mini-minigun, wrangler has its uses but id rather have a pistol for shooting people with all the time than something that ties me to my sentry.

  And I still think the enforcer needs a nerf, the deadringer in the right hands is completely oped as well (BEING INVINCIBLE AND INVISIBLE IS NOT FAIR)

[Strange guy]

If you aren't a battle engie (and I often am) the wrangler is one of the most overpowered things in the game right now. Act as a normal sentry whenever it is beneficial to do so, and when you suspect a spy you can shoot him with your sentry, you can scare away corner shooters with rockets, turn on the shield then repair so you can outlast an uber (or keep them back with higher than normal knockback, or concentrate fire on someone who isn't invincible). For the cost of the pistol, which is only better than the shotgun in places where you don't want your sentry.

I don't think the DR is overpowered (though having no disadvantage with the already good enforcer is) but is annoying. Even poor spies are very hard to properly kill, and can just keep coming back until they catch you distracted.

[3]

Using the SC on a single Soldier going after your sentry is a waste of time, and I have no idea why you'd attempt to do so, unless you fundamentally don't understand what the point of the SC is.

The main advantage of the SC is being able to get everything in an arc: That is, remove all of those stickies under your sentry instantly, remove an entire wave of spammed grenades on a choke, etc., and more reliably than a Pyro could do it.

The Enforcer is clearly a straight upgrade but you have to consider whether it's actually overpowered or instead just indicative of a shift in Spy balance. TF2's metagame is as skewed as that of any other MMO, and subsequently there are always people who shout "OP!" at any change of the state of things.

[Neyvn]

With this latest update, its like no one is playing on the servers I can use without getting over 9000 ping, the only thing available was that Mge_training server. And all there were Holierthenthou players, instead of giving advice on how to aim better with the scout, they spent all their time trying to tell me off for not using default weapons... Fuck you, I can use what I want, just help me get better at aiming then slaughtering me 20-3...

[ECrownofFire]

With this latest update, its like no one is playing on the servers I can use without getting over 9000 ping, the only thing available was that Mge_training server. And all there were Holierthenthou players, instead of giving advice on how to aim better with the scout, they spent all their time trying to tell me off for not using default weapons... Fuck you, I can use what I want, just help me get better at aiming then slaughtering me 20-3...

You want one good thing for aiming? Turn off mouse acceleration.

See this also: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628258098#1

Good for every game out there. Takes a bit to get used to it, but the payoff is great.

[Untouchable]

So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.

[Enzo]

So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.

The Bay12 server info is pretty much the first thing in the first post of this topic. I trust you will be able to find it.

It's almost always empty, though, unless there's an event posted in the Bay12 Steam group. Which I still think there should be more of. Playing with 170 ping with a bunch of British people is fun!

The Enforcer is clearly a straight upgrade but you have to consider whether it's actually overpowered or instead just indicative of a shift in Spy balance.

Agreed. It's not overpowered, but it's obviously tailored for DR play. I think it's the same as, say, the Equalizer. It's a straight upgrade of the shovel, but is it OP? Are soldiers tearing holes in the opposition with their devastating Equalizer?

Personally I still prefer the diamondback, even with DR, because crits are delicious. It is disappointed to not be able to 2-shot Snipers all the time though.

[3]

It was fun to see some consistent activity there during VSHS... until you realised that the entire server'd been inadvertently hijacked by pubs and as soon as the event ended it all went quiet.

[The Scout]

So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.

Unfortunately, people that get on our server are normally extremely better then the average player. Like Jakkara.
And since TF2 crashes almost instantly for me, I won't be playing anytime soon.

[Duke 2.0]

Like Jakkara.

Excuse me

I know he won't be able to read my playful jabs at him here, but Jakarra is a prime ass ripe for kicking.

[cerapa]

So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.

Unfortunately, people that get on our server are normally extremely better then the average player. Like Jakkara.

Ironically I tend to do better on our server than on any other.

I get incredibly low ping though, so maybe its that.

[Orangebottle]

If you aren't a battle engie (and I often am) the wrangler is one of the most overpowered things in the game right now. Act as a normal sentry whenever it is beneficial to do so, and when you suspect a spy you can shoot him with your sentry, you can scare away corner shooters with rockets, turn on the shield then repair so you can outlast an uber (or keep them back with higher than normal knockback, or concentrate fire on someone who isn't invincible). For the cost of the pistol, which is only better than the shotgun in places where you don't want your sentry.

Or you can get shot in the face a couple times by an intelligent spy with an ambassador, then watch him laugh over your dead corpse as he saps your shit because the sentry can't shoot when it's coming out of wrangler mode.

[MrWiggles]

The thing, that I dont like about Wrangler, is that the hit box of the sentry is fucked.

If an Engy, is standing in back of the Sentry, but if you have a shot of the head (as a sniper), the headshot is nulled.