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[E. Albright]

and no, I don't agree that view on authority is wonky in any means. 

I'd argue it is, though. The viewpoints you lay out suggest that authority is something imposed on the individual, but that the individual cannot impose. Which is, not to put too fine a point on things, silly.

Look. That the very existence of "liberal libertarianism" of a non-individualist-anarchist nature is not considered in the model you laid out strongly suggests its view on authority is going to have some blind spots, and that the freedom this stance lays out includes the freedom to restrict others' freedom (but not their freedom to restrict your freedom to restrict their freedom, etc.).

You assume I wasn't laughing...

Actually, no, you were pretty clear that you were laughing. 

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Not to downplay the intellectual validity or interestingness of these debates, but if they continue, this thread will end up getting hopelessly and permanently derailed.

[E. Albright]

Too true. Alas. Let us drop that and return to the subject of the thread.

[Xavior]

In the interests of modifying the game and getting the threat back on track, here's what I've found about the code, what files do, and what things are likely to be in each file, so we can think about where exactly things are that we want to be modifying

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

./basemode:
total 188 
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 44629 Oct  6 01:59 activate.cpp
 -- Includes the code for the "Activate Liberals" screen, interface only.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 11275 Oct  6 01:59 activate_sleepers.cpp
 -- Contains the interface for the B] Activate sleepers menu
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 25592 Oct  6 01:59 baseactions.cpp     
 -- Contains the interface for the various other actions you can perform from the main screen
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 26414 Oct  6 01:59 basemode.cpp         
 -- Contains....the interface for disbanding the LCS, other long-range time passing, like being in jail, alot of the menu code for being under siege.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 32825 Oct  6 01:59 liberalagenda.cpp   
 -- Code for the View the status of the Liberal Agenda screen
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 39525 Oct  6 01:59 reviewmode.cpp       
 -- Code for the "Review and Reorganize Liberals" screen

./combat:
total 172
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  45105 Oct  6 01:59 chase.cpp
 -- Chase scenes! Yay!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 107163 Oct  6 01:59 fight.cpp
 -- Fighting!!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  16311 Oct  6 01:59 haulkidnap.cpp
 -- Code for dealing with hostage-taking while on site.

./common:
total 272
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 27302 Oct  6 01:59 commonactions.cpp
 -- contains various common actions that you might find called elsewhere.
   -- endcheck - check if the game's ended
   -- removecarprefs_pool - tells people to stop using a car
   -- iscriminal - checks if a liberal is wanted
   -- hospitalize - send someone to the hospital
   -- clinictime - find out how long they take to heal(this is what you can blame!)
   -- testsquadclear - checks to see if a squad is empty, and clears it if it is.
   -- maxskill - tells you how much the maximum for a given skill is
   -- weaponskill - tells what skills are required for each weapon
   -- criminalizeparty - make everyone wanted for X
   -- criminalize - make one liberal wanted
   -- juiceparty - give everyone juice
   -- addjuice - give one person juice
   -- removesquadinfo - takes someone out of whatever squad they might be in
   -- cleangonesquads - gets rid of empty squads
   -- locatesquad - moves a squad to a new location
   -- choose_one - Picks a random option, based on the weights provided. (random, but predictable)
   -- basesquad - changes the safehouse for everyone in a squad
   -- change_public_opinion - shifts public opinion on an issue one way or another
   -- lawflagheat - how illegal any given crime is
   -- maxsubordinates - how many people you can Recruit
   -- subordinatesleft - corrollary of the above
   -- loveslaves -- how many people you've seduced
   -- loveslavesleft -- how many people you can continue to seduce.
   -- randomissue -- picks a random issue based on how many people are interested in it
   -- randomstate - a random state in the US
 
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 47121 Oct  6 01:59 commondisplay.cpp
 -- Contains the color for various alignments, the color for Activate Liberal options, various important messages and things that will show up in places, wounds, character sheets and their colors, health, location names, makedelimeter(draws a line), finds, page info.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  4678 Oct  6 01:59 consolesupport.cpp
 -- compatibility for different build options...probably don't want to change it.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 99773 Oct  6 01:59 creature.cpp     
 -- various options for discovering things about people, and deciding their names and where they're appropriate.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 26930 Oct  6 01:59 equipment.cpp     
 -- This...does various things for items. What clips they use, what types they are, how much ammo they have...etc.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 57097 Oct  6 01:59 getnames.cpp     
 -- this translates the various code-readable enums into printable names for the game.
 -- Also. Holy crap awesome. All the weapons change in the year 2100.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  2391 Oct  6 01:59 translateid.cpp   
 -- Uhm...translates how the game sees various things in certain settings into how it sees them in other settings. I think.

./creature:
total 76   
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 61727 Oct  6 01:59 creaturetypes.cpp
 -- This one's important. Generates creatures and decides how they're differentiated from each other.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  9601 Oct  6 01:59 pool.cpp         
 -- Hey, there's a bug in here? It seems to be missing a ) or a ; or something in the private: area for the class, every single bracket is highlighted in red after the for statement there. Anyway, this appears to be where groups are dealt with. Squads, people doing activities, sleepers, all of 'em are in pools. It also has functions for what to do with people in pools, get informationa bout them, etc.
./daily:
total 540
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 100555 Oct  6 02:00 activities.cpp
 -- Decides what activities actually DO
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  70974 Oct  6 02:00 daily.cpp     
 -- stuff that happens every day
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  25922 Oct  6 02:00 date.cpp     
 -- the dating game
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  57773 Oct  6 02:00 interrogation.cpp
 -- Interrogations!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  84995 Oct  6 02:00 news.cpp         
 -- News stories!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  20561 Oct  6 02:00 recruit.cpp     
 -- Talking to people!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  91935 Oct  6 02:00 shopsnstuff.cpp 
 -- buying things!
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  78960 Oct  6 02:00 siege.cpp       
 -- behind the scenes stuff for sieges!
./items:
total 8
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 4650 Oct  6 01:59 armor.cpp
 -- How much various items protect you

./monthly:
total 156
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 22299 Oct  6 01:59 endgame.cpp
 -- Are we there yet?
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 44032 Oct  6 01:59 justice.cpp
 -- The court system
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 30752 Oct  6 01:59 lcsmonthly.cpp
 -- Your progress, the liberal guardian, your budget...
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 21005 Oct  6 01:59 monthly.cpp   
 -- just about everything else that happens every month.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 29566 Oct  6 01:59 sleeper_update.cpp
 -- What your sleepers do every month

./news:
total 120
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  6336 Oct  6 01:59 ads.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  5076 Oct  6 01:59 headline.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  2264 Oct  6 01:59 layout.cpp 
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 77929 Oct  6 01:59 majorevent.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini   549 Oct  6 01:59 news.h       
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  3378 Oct  6 01:59 sex.cpp 
 -- I have no idea what this does     
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  9774 Oct  6 01:59 squadstory_text.cpp
All this stuff displays various news stories and I think decides what they do. You're probably going to want to look at everything if you're vastly changing the story and purpose

./pdcurses:
total 124 
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 58330 Oct  6 01:59 curses.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 63750 Oct  6 01:59 pdcurses.lib
 -- stuff needed for actually drawing things on the screen.
./politics:
total 76   
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1551 Oct  6 01:59 alignment.h
 -- the enum for alignments
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  2131 Oct  6 01:59 law.cpp
 -- Law alignments and their colors   
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1832 Oct  6 01:59 law.h     
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 64246 Oct  6 01:59 politics.cpp
 -- How all the political game mechanics actually WORK

./sandbox:
total 128
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 51960 Oct  6 02:00 creature_factory_test.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  9954 Oct  6 02:00 creature_namegen_test.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 20886 Oct  6 02:00 creature_test.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  7185 Oct  6 02:00 creature_test.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1227 Oct  6 02:00 creature_type_test.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  6121 Oct  6 02:00 globals.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1647 Oct  6 02:00 injury_test.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini   328 Oct  6 02:00 lcscommon.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1127 Oct  6 02:00 location_test.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  2659 Oct  6 02:00 saveload_boost.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  1401 Oct  6 02:00 weapon.h
 -- I've never looked at any of this.

./sitemode:
total 428
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 15899 Oct  6 01:59 advance.cpp
 -- End of round stuff. Basic mechanics and how people react. Alarm, etc.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 38504 Oct  6 01:59 mapspecials.cpp
 -- Special stuff for sites. "Gimme juice buttons" mostly, and the bouncers
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 37798 Oct  6 01:59 miscactions.cpp
 -- How various actions on site work, how hard things are. etc.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 50138 Oct  6 01:59 newencounter.cpp
 -- Generates an encounter, Hullo officer. I was just liberating these unjustly imprisoned folks. Nothing to see here.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 23659 Oct  6 01:59 sitedisplay.cpp
 -- the interface! I think
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 44764 Oct  6 01:59 sitemap.cpp
 -- how the game deals with the sitemaps.txt file loaded in configfile.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  2933 Oct  6 01:59 sitemap.h
 -- Header file for it
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 87209 Oct  6 01:59 sitemode.cpp
 -- Uhm, uhm, more interface stuff. But with more game mechanics.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 28193 Oct  6 01:59 stealth.cpp
 -- The code for disguise and stealth.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 91606 Oct  6 01:59 talk.cpp
 -- The code for talking to people, dating, etc. while on site/


./title:
total 96
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 10703 Oct  6 01:59 highscore.cpp
 -- Shows the high score list
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 48415 Oct  6 01:59 newgame.cpp
 -- creates your character, how the game starts.
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini 25268 Oct  6 01:59 saveload.cpp
 -- Saves and loads your stuff
-rw-r--r-- 1 gemini gemini  6014 Oct  6 01:59 titlescreen.cpp
 -- The title screen!

Warning. This may or may not give you an unhealthy understanding of how the game works. It also may or may not completely misinform you, so if you know I'm wrong, or have something to add, do say so

[narskie]

I don't think much needs to be changed for the CCS.  Most of the people who are red would remain red.  Most conservatives perceive the police, scientists, judges, CEOs etc to be too liberal.  Pretty much any institution is liberal and trying to turn them into slaves.  It would mostly boil down to changing the L page to have a Fox News style spin.  For example, Labor Laws C++ Workers are free to find a job without goverment interference.  L++ The government dictates every aspect of the employment process.

The goal should be to make it from a rank and file conservative perspective (which is how Fox News presents itself, although clearly they favor corporate/elite control not freedom).  So i definitely think the religious aspect should remain.  The anti-gay stuff should also be there (The Gay agenda conspiracy to turn all your kids gay), be not necessarily racism, as most conservatives feel they are "freeing" minorities from the government and the liberals are rascist.  It should be from their perspective (the rank and file, not corporate elites), but still poking fun at them the way LCS does to liberals.

It's a challenge though, since I don't think anyone on here could provide that perspective.  The closest we have are quasi-Ron Paul types.

[Xavior]

The liberal conspiracy to turn all your kids gay is hilarious. And easily implementable. Make dating same-sex people easier or harder depending on whether the Gay Rights laws are -2 or +2 XD

Actually, what if we make it so the whole game works exactly the same, only you get to choose which squad you fight for!

[Zangi]

Hah, dating/picking up same sex people: Lose juice... Continue relations, keep on losing juice...

The conservative equivalent of hippy: yuppie... and rednecks too...

[E. Albright]

Yuppie doesn't work well. It lacks the strong political polarization enjoyed by hippy or redneck - yuppies have more of a self-absorbed apolitical association in my experience. I'd stick with redneck or a related term as a hippy equivalent.

[EuchreJack]

Beachbum, Flowerchild, Pothead, Longhair, Dreamer, Commie, Athiest, and  Anarchist all come to mind as "standard Liberal Derogatives and Approximations".  Pick, chose, modify, and add as you like.

[HAMMERMILL]

There should be a couple of places that are the conservative versions of the "Rainbow Eggplant Vegan Co-op" thats teeming with rednecks, bikers, hicks and other sorts of blue collar, shit kicking rabble like that serve as the basic, easy-to-recruit archetypes like Hippies are with the LCS.

A "trailer park" location might be a little cliche'd though.

[Toady Two]

Its supposed to be cliched!

Also,  for the conservative crime squad, the game would scale better. In the begging, you would only have access to melee and weapons you steal. Those are adequate for your early needs but as more heat come your way and your conservative agenda grows then gun laws become more C you are able to buy firearms to better resist arrest. Also in an L+ country the police force would favour nonlethal methods and as the game progesess they would also become better armed.

Also the character creation questions would have to be replaced with more consevative answers...

[E. Albright]

Hmm... a Truck Stop on the outskirts mightn't be a bad spot to grab Hicks, Yokels, and the like.

[Ciarog]

Maybe this is a little too conservative, but I'd like to see a United Nations/New World Order invasion scenario somehow factored into a game played from the Conservative Crime Squad perspective.

2.  It's a cardinal direction thing.  I'm crazy libertarian man, so rather than looking at the world on a Democratic/Republican line, everything looks like it's skewed towards socialism for me.  Socialist isn't intended as an insult, nor, really meant as a type of government.  It's just equivilent to saying that governments are liberal or conservative.  I understand that you're standing in the middle of your political universe, and from where you're standing, socialism is even further in that direction.

Refer to things you don't like as statist instead.

After all, libertarians are just anarchists who don't realize that taxation ain't made more tolerable by calling it rent.

[Ciarog]

It's a challenge though, since I don't think anyone on here could provide that perspective.  The closest we have are quasi-Ron Paul types.

I used to consider myself a falangist; I could probably help out a bit.

[E. Albright]

Maybe this is a little too conservative, but I'd like to see a United Nations/New World Order invasion scenario somehow factored into a game played from the Conservative Crime Squad perspective.

I don't think it's too C++ (see e.g. this actual game), but I think there's the domestic focus to consider*. But that is a point worth debating, I think.

*As in, LCS is fairly focused on the domestic. Though admittedly, there isn't a big liberal fear of an international bogeyman, and the same can't be said of conservatism at the fringe...