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[TheBeardyMan]

I have a save that is persistently affected by the rocket wagon/slowboat wagon bug. One wagon can cross half of a 16x16 map and reach my depot in less than a second, and the other wagon never reaches the depot before the merchants leave, making trading impossible. Save scumming doesn't fix it; I get a rocket wagon and a slowboat wagon every time I reload the save. However, in the save in question, the wagons have not yet spawned on the map. Is this something that I could work around by modifying the [SPEED] tag for wagons? Or does modifying a speed tag not work for existing saves? Or does a [SPEED] tag change require a new worldgen? Or is the [SPEED] tag something that doesn't work for wagons at all?

[Doomshifter]

IIRC, the [SPEED] tag can be changed with no troubles. I frequently swap from SPEED:0 superdwarves and then remove the tag when I want them back to normal.

This SHOULD work, in theory, but wagons are weird. Just try it out for us. Remember, the lower the number, the faster they go.

[TheBeardyMan]

Just tried it and it didn't work. So it looks like the [SPEED] tag has no effect on wagons  . But your superdwarves comment gives me another idea for a workaround. I could try speeding up the dwarves, deconstructing my original trade depot, and building a new one near the edge of the map, and savescumming until the caravan spawns close enough to the new depot (spawn location for the caravan is something that does change with savescumming).

[TheBeardyMan]

OK, this is getting weird. I tried changing dwarves to speed 0, and in addition to the expected effects, this caused both wagons to move at normal speed.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

my bet is that whatever is pulling the wagon is on roids lol

[Truean]

I bet you it's something like, "The wagon has no speed, but rather the draft animals have speed and they "equip" the wagon, resulting in a special sprite where they are attached to it."

The only problem is that multiple animals can be used as draft animals. Try changing speed on them and see if that pans out. It's worth a shot.

[tfaal]

I bet you it's something like, "The wagon has no speed, but rather the draft animals have speed and they "equip" the wagon, resulting in a special sprite where they are attached to it."

The only problem is that multiple animals can be used as draft animals. Try changing speed on them and see if that pans out. It's worth a shot.

The problem with this theory is that wagons are, in fact, creatures. You can find them in the raw/objects folder, at creature_equipment, I think. Given the strange way that wagons interact with the pathfinder, it wouldn't surprise me if the speed tag didn't affect them at all.

[Truean]

I bet you it's something like, "The wagon has no speed, but rather the draft animals have speed and they "equip" the wagon, resulting in a special sprite where they are attached to it."

The only problem is that multiple animals can be used as draft animals. Try changing speed on them and see if that pans out. It's worth a shot.

The problem with this theory is that wagons are, in fact, creatures. You can find them in the raw/objects folder, at creature_equipment, I think. Given the strange way that wagons interact with the pathfinder, it wouldn't surprise me if the speed tag didn't affect them at all.

Could be. I'm not sure anyone knows the answer for sure. wagons seem to be the only multi tile creature currently. Who knows how they calculate speed. I do know that increasing their trade capacity to 100000000 slows them down to imperceptible slowness though.

[Deon]

Yes, because they bring more goods this way. The speed of a wagon is calculated as a formula based on a total weight of all trade goods inside the wagon, and you can't change it. The way to "fix" it is to make wagons to have a smaller capacity. First caravans should be quite "empty" this way, but with the increase in gifts and trading they will just bring more wagons.

Anyway I haven't seen this bug until the last month so I'd just follow TheBeardyMan's advice and apply SPEED:900 to everything.