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[Nether]

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PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION    level    0 to 5, civ will come to site once population at site has reached that level. Evidence suggests this trigger only works for friendly races.
PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PRODUCTION    level    0 to 5, civ will come to site once created wealth has reached that level
PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE    level    0 to 5, civ will come to site once exported goods has reached that level
PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE    level   
PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE    level   
PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE    level   

I found these on the wiki, but don't really know what to do with them. I want my population sieged as soon as they hit 20-25 dwarves, prod and trade are unknown for me. To achieve this, should I just change the POP_SIEGE tot 20? Or does this work with the levels as indicated above?

[Max White]

Well to be honest, this is the greatest mystry in all of entity modding. I asked over the the workshop, but they didn't know either. Deon should know, he is meant to know something sbout this 'modding' stuff. If he is still online maybe he will show up.

In other words, posting to watch here, because I also want an in depth recount of how it works.

[Nether]

It's a mystery, but one I need to tweak Deon's genesis to my wishes for work USB use

I want to put the dwarf count down to 30, but it will kill gameplay if that stops the bloody buggers from assaulting me.

[mrbobbyg]

POP_SIEGE is not an absolute value, I think it can be between 1 and 5, the lower the number, the faster.  I believe 3 corresponds to 80.

You will need to gen a new world for this to take effect.

[Nether]

POP_SIEGE is not an absolute value, I think it can be between 1 and 5, the lower the number, the faster.  I believe 3 corresponds to 80.

You will need to gen a new world for this to take effect.

Thanks! I'm experimenting right now with a newly genned world, max dwarves 30, so if level 1 is more then 30 then no sieges

[Deon]

Yes, those are levels 1 to 5. I'm just going to say that 5 is almost never unless you play long forts for most triggers.

I don't remember exact values, but if you want early sieges then set them to 1-2 and ignore some like trade/production which take more time to achieve than population.

[Nether]

Yes, those are levels 1 to 5. I'm just going to say that 5 is almost never unless you play long forts for most triggers.

I don't remember exact values, but if you want early sieges then set them to 1-2 and ignore some like trade/production which take more time to achieve than population.

I would like later sieges with use of the trade/production triggers, so that I do not get raped by orks the moment I embark (I play a minimal fort due to system specs on work).
Is there any knowledge about how these work?

[Deon]

They just work . Each time your settlement changes a name, you gain another population level. Production levels grow with thousands of wealth you produce, and trade levels grow with thousands of wealth you travel away. As I said I cannot say exact numbers now, but 5 is too high. 3-4 is good if you want a bit delayed sieges.

[darkflagrance]

If you want to be besieged at 20 dwarves, use

[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION:1]

FYI, the corresponding levels of population to pop-trigger are:

0: used to mean will attack instantly, now means will ignore trigger
1: 20 dwarves
2: 50 dwarves
3: 80 dwarves
4: 110 dwarves
5: 140 dwarves

Also, I can tell you from creating the Fortress Defense Mod that the PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE and similar tags will not work without the normal PROGRESS_TRIGGER tags. The PROGRESS_TRIGGER_X_SIEGE tags are used when a civ is capable of launching both ambushes and sieges like goblins; the tag governs when it changes its attack strategy.

[Max White]

A straight forward answer?

THANK YOU DARKFLAGRANCE! Deon, from now on I'm playing fortress defence rather then genisis. You let me down. 

[Rysith]

If you want to be besieged at 20 dwarves, use

[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION:1]

FYI, the corresponding levels of population to pop-trigger are:

0: most likely will attack instantly
1: 20 dwarves
2: 50 dwarves
3: 80 dwarves
4: 110 dwarves
5: 140 dwarves

Also, I can tell you from creating the Fortress Defense Mod that the PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE and similar tags will not work without the normal PROGRESS_TRIGGER tags. The PROGRESS_TRIGGER_X_SIEGE tags are used when a civ is capable of launching both ambushes and sieges like goblins; the tag governs when it changes its attack strategy.

Quite accurate, with one change (that I know of): PROGRESS_TRIGGER 0 means that the trigger is ignored, not instant.

I forget what the exact values for trade (exported wealth) and production (created wealth) are, other than that production maps to the name of the record keeper (record keeper -> hoardmaster, I believe), and that first trade trigger is at just over 1000 exported wealth.

[Jacob/Lee]

They just work . Each time your settlement changes a name, you gain another population level. Production levels grow with thousands of wealth you produce, and trade levels grow with thousands of wealth you travel away. As I said I cannot say exact numbers now, but 5 is too high. 3-4 is good if you want a bit delayed sieges.

Name as in literal name, or title, like hamlet, metropolis etc. etc.?

[darkflagrance]

They just work . Each time your settlement changes a name, you gain another population level. Production levels grow with thousands of wealth you produce, and trade levels grow with thousands of wealth you travel away. As I said I cannot say exact numbers now, but 5 is too high. 3-4 is good if you want a bit delayed sieges.

Name as in literal name, or title, like hamlet, metropolis etc. etc.?

I think they correspond titles, but I've never noticed a notification of a name change. The later titles (80 and above) might correspond to landholder noble level titles (barony etc).

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Quite accurate, with one change (that I know of): PROGRESS_TRIGGER 0 means that the trigger is ignored, not instant.

I should have known this already, but I'm still half in denial that Toady changed it from 40d.

[rephikul]

A straight forward answer?

THANK YOU DARKFLAGRANCE! Deon, from now on I'm playing fortress defence rather then genisis. You let me down. 

I'm pretty sure FD and genesis can coexist peacefully.

Quite accurate, with one change (that I know of): PROGRESS_TRIGGER 0 means that the trigger is ignored, not instant.

I should have known this already, but I'm still half in denial that Toady changed it from 40d.

Personal testing on this say it's indeed ignored on 0.

[Max White]

I'm pretty sure FD and genesis can coexist peacefully.

The mod has nothing to do with it. When a modder who knows what there doing is online, I expect them to attend to my every question, reguardless of how much they know of the topic themselves. THERE IS NO COEXIST!