Urist:Mormota, IronyOwl, care to explain your votes? You both seem to have been rather quick in voting Shakerag, and I don't really see any justification for Irony's vote, and Mormota only slightly justified his.
Was meant to be a pressure vote, not a lynchvote.
Mormota:IronyOwl, you were there, occupied with Powder Miner. Someone you stated as not finding suspicious. Then why didn't you bother with anyone else near the end of the day, other than your quick vote on Shakerag?
I was busy, though I admit to focusing far too much on Powder Miner. However, I "bothered" with two people at the end.
If you didn't like my "quick vote" on Shakerag, why did you mimic it?
Why did you not ask for an extension to get an answer to your question? I am not going to accept "I was asleep". You could have asked before.
Too bad, that's the answer. Why doesn't this reasoning apply to everyone else in the game, yourself included? It's not like anyone else requested an extension prior to the deadline looming, and you didn't request one at all, despite being the last vote needed.
Powder Miner, what is your opinion on the replace?
What is the purpose of this question?
Powder Miner:I'm going to put out a case on IronyOwl now.
Two points:
First point:
[Unformatted Wall of Text That Doesn't Provide The Relevant Data]
As you can see, IronyOwl has half the posts of everyone else currently alive right now. This means Irony has been active lurking or lurking, and this is even including Toaster's posts. Moving on.
Utterly,
utterly worthless, and an
extremely clear sign of being scum, tunneling, and/or not knowing what the fuck you're doing.
Post
number is completely worthless. Completely. Utterly. You're trying to deny this right now in your head, but it's an ironclad, immutable fact. The
only way it's relevant is in terms of what it implies about post
content or post
frequency, which you've not bothered to make a connection to. If there's any merit
WHATSOEVER to post number, it can be made about post content or frequency instead, because those are the only ways it
has any merit.
In short, this argument is worthless, dogmatic garbage you're throwing at me because you're a tunneling jackass who can't bother to find a real case. This is it, Powder Miner. It's LYLO, and you've got
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL except "IronyOwl has been lurking so he's scum." Go on, name some other scumpicks. Name some other suspicions. Hell, name some other arguments you've had that you've admitted are garbage.
What's that, you've got nothing of the sort on any of those? Shit, guess that means you're tunneling.
Point Two:
[More garbage about scumhunting]
Two points here.
First:
You never bothered to respond to anything in my WoT response to you, including a detailed discussion of this, so I don't really feel the need to go into this again. If you actually cared about the answer, you'd have responded to the WoT. You don't care about the answer. You care about vomiting the same garbage you've been doing all game, because you're a mindless tunneler.
I mean, look at this shit:
My main suspicion is IronyOwl (I'm tired of backing off of, not only because he's lurking (although lurking without explanation does piss me off pretty badly and is in fact a scumtell), but because when he does post, he's not scumhunting much at all. He teaches as an IC, but he fails to scumhunt/
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93126.msg2641414#msg2641414
Like this post. He does a lot of IC instructing to players, but he manages to fail to do anything close to scumhunting except for remind me that he was asking we a question earlier. HE asks no new questions, he even doesn't address my answers to his other questions, nor add any other questions.
Hey, Irony, if you'll look at the bottom of my previoud post, you'll find I answered your question.
And I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY NOT SCUMHUNTING BECAUSE YOU'RE ICING/TOO MANY NOOBTELLS!
But if you don't end up sumhunting, you'll never end up being able to seperate the tells. It alo makes me feel a bit to much like you're hiding behind your IC role. If you weren't an IC, you wouldn't get away with not scumhunting, you wouldn't be able to IC. You'd just be active lurking. And when it boils down to it, that's precisely what you are doing. It really doesn't matter if we're too noobish, or if we need lots of ICing, if you're only being an IC, you're not doing a single thing for the town. And you're not even scumhunting right now. You're defending yourself.
And IC excuses or not, that's unacceptable.
but what I was trying to say was if this was a regular mafia you wouldn't get away with this kind of playing because you wouldn't have the oh-so-convenient "I'm just the benevolent IC giving you all advice falalalala" excuse. You'd have to scumhunt instead of giving out advice/just defending yourself.
Once we clear away the misquoting: If you weren't an IC, you wouldn;t be able to use the excuse of being an IC to not scumhunt. Everyone would recognize you as active lurking. But you do have the excuse, but excuse or not- you're active lurking.
Yes it is. Your ICing is fine and all, but you're not being a player at all if you're not scumhunting. If you're not scumhunting, you're doing nothing for town. That's simple enough.
So, with my defense we get the truth, which is what I actually said, scum:
1. If you weren't an IC, you wouldn't have the excuse of being the ohso benevolent IC that just sits around and hands out advice, and you'd be recgonized as active lurking.
2. Even if you do have the excuse, it doesn't change the fact that you're active lurking.
3. If you're ICing, YOU NEED TO SCUMHUNT. Not scumhunting means not finding scum. Not finding scum means losing.
I've said this multiple times. Or maybe I haven't, but I will take no excuse for not scumhunting, not event hat we are too nooby to read. This is a Beginner's MAfia, and if the ICs can;t read us, they shouldn't have signed up. Also, I beg to differ about "crap reasoning" and "nothign supporting it", as my deconstructing IronyOwl's post will show.
This is pretty much all you have, and what do you notice about it?
It's the exact same argument repeated verbatim. If you were an actual, functioning player, you'd expect these to change somewhat, maybe evolve into different lines of questioning, or at a bare minimum address the fact that I'm not addressing your accusations. But that doesn't happen because that's not what you're doing- you're not trying to find scum, you're just repeating yourself over and over and over again because you like hearing yourself talk. Go on, find one other player in the game whose arguments look like that.
Second:
I explained this wayyyyy the fuck back when your only suspects were
other people lurking:
Powder Miner:
Stop being a lazy fuck and actually hunt some scum. Pointing at lurkers all game is not scumhunting.
That's all you've got, all game. Pointless flailing against lurkers, then pointless flailing against me for
active lurking.
This is what I find unacceptable, IronyOwl, and it's why I think you're scum.
I know. You've been saying it ever since you gave up on thrashing against lurkers. It hasn't changed, at all, regardless of what else has happened or been said. Ever.
This is your last chance, Powder Miner. It's LYLO.
Play the fucking game.
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