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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #495 on: April 08, 2025, 02:01:25 pm »

I have role information indicating that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger.

@Jim yeah I know. Just trust.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #496 on: April 08, 2025, 02:04:01 pm »

Just been a very busy long weekend here. I'd probably have stayed up late and posted if I felt the game needed it, but there's only two dopps and a shed load of near-confirmed townies, so there wasn't any real urgency.

I still mildly prefer Sal over AnimePigeon, but I'm happy to be wrong here. Magma on Toony is interesting.

Magma, did you forget that all yesterday Toony was the alternative wagon to Agent?? You think that was a deep ploy?

A deep ploy by whom? The first two people to vote for ToonyMan were human. It's not possible for it to be a conspiracy.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #497 on: April 08, 2025, 02:11:52 pm »

I have role information indicating that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger.
How though? You didn't leave your house.

A deep ploy by whom? The first two people to vote for ToonyMan were human. It's not possible for it to be a conspiracy.
A ploy by Agent and Toony to bus one another. When Agent casted his self pres vote there had literally just been a vote count so he'd know the numbers. Why vote for his own teammate? Killing your only ally isn't self-preservation. OK, it could just be distancing. Maybe Agent thinks he's doomed anyway and that this would make Toony look better. Take a look.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #498 on: April 08, 2025, 02:18:32 pm »

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The progression from Salvatore is only getting more puzzling.

Certain on Magma Mater, AnimePigeon, Magma Mater, AnimePigeon...

Salvatore you keep going on about how it's sad that I'm Tunnelling you and that I don't understand you, your right - I don't understand you, as imo your play makes 0 sense as a Townie - it only makes sense as a Doppelgänger or Alien.

I've given you plenty of times to enlighten me on what I'm misinterpreting or misunderstanding about you, yet you fail to provide more than complaints about my inability to read you.

Hence why I'm Salvatore Monday

My heart wants to vote Magma so bad but Jim has denied this passion.
What if Jim's evil?
Here is the annoying thing, Jim can definitely be Evil & I don't think anyone (atleast not me) has suggested they are completely clear.

But then you've got a strange shape of;

Salvatore attempted convincing Imp of Evil!AnimePigeon &/or Evil!Magma,
Salvatore attempted convincing Toony of Evil!Magma &/or Evil!Jim,
Jim attempted convincing that Good!Magma means Evil!AnimePigeon - because despite having an initial POE of just 2 people (for 2 Evil/Neutral Roles), instead of figuring out an expanded POE, clearing Good!Magma, seemingly just negates the need to search for the additional Evil (assuming I was Evil).

NQT, Imp & Toony have been very vocal & open about there considerations, they haven't jumped from person to person, they have laid out Pros/Cons, and attempted to move forward from that.

I'm inclinded to believe Magma is Good!Magma regardless of Jim's result, as Magma seems to have a reason to believe both me & Jim are Good!
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #499 on: April 08, 2025, 02:20:42 pm »

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Magma targets me if we go to N2. I'm shocked they didn't last night since they've spent the entire game hating me. The fact they're not a dopp makes me really upset.

Okay... is there a reason why Mater targeting you is a problem?

It's not a problem. You are incapable of reading.

Okay.  I mean if you're dop and a hair from conceding + upset or something.  I'm sorry, I want us all to have fun.

I dunno what role Mater is.  Maybe I should know.

If you don't reveal your dopness, which is totally dope, then we gotta find who it is.  Maybe Mater can just keep cutting through confusion; I have no idea.  You are in PoE, to me, to others.  So are other people.

I've been sitting here thinking that I dunno what to do with today, except listen to people when they choose to talk.

I can't vote Mater, I won't vote Jim.  I'm not dop.  I could be wrong about Jim; I imagine Jim could be fooled someone by Mater (but that seems unlikely, I sure have tried to see how over and over).  If I'm wrong about Jim that feels weird.  But I choose to trust Jim.

For me, anyone between Sal, AP, NQT, and yourself are targets.

I think NQT is kinda getting ignored?  AP is kinda avoidant?  Sal's gotten a ton of attention and I feel kinda sad for Sal and I prefer not to vote for Sal, but sure will if I get more reason to or have to break a tie or something and Sal seems the better pick.

You feel weird off-fine-off-fine which is interesting.  And I'm aware maybe I don't make it to the end of the game, there's at least some sus of me (pity, I'd like to stay in play).

But if you're dop, I don't think you're for sure gonna lose, unless you reveal or already have.  I dunno about 'impossible to win' for dops, though I'm town and don't need to find a dop path.

I hope my inability to read doesn't bother you, and I want us all having fun.
I've not once seen Salvatore try to explain or justify his reads, other than "it's sad you don't understand me" - how exactly does that contribute towards helping towns helping to find towns?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #500 on: April 08, 2025, 02:24:34 pm »

Here is the annoying thing, Jim can definitely be Evil & I don't think anyone (atleast not me) has suggested they are completely clear.
How though? There are only two dopps. Crystal was killed by a dopp (her bones were gnawed). Jim claims to have acted on Magma, revealing Magma hasn't left his house and Magma hasn't denied this. Aliens can't watch people's houses (that I've seen in the role list). Jim would have to be lying and be making a very lucky claim about Magma in order for him to be a doppelganger or alien. Strictly speaking, not completely impossible, but I really don't see the scenario that makes sense here.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2025, 02:25:47 pm »

I have role information indicating that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger.
How though? You didn't leave your house.

A deep ploy by whom? The first two people to vote for ToonyMan were human. It's not possible for it to be a conspiracy.
A ploy by Agent and Toony to bus one another. When Agent casted his self pres vote there had literally just been a vote count so he'd know the numbers. Why vote for his own teammate? Killing your only ally isn't self-preservation. OK, it could just be distancing. Maybe Agent thinks he's doomed anyway and that this would make Toony look better. Take a look.

I did see that. It could easily be distancing / bussing. I guess it comes down to whether you think Agentt would vote for his partner or not. I do think that he would vote for Salvatore Monday if he were partners with him - it would make ToonyMan look particularly bad. I suppose this could be a reason to think that ToonyMan is mafia.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #502 on: April 08, 2025, 02:33:25 pm »

OK magma, you can't drop that you have info that Pigeon is 100% non-dopp and not expand on that when the vote count looks like this:

AnimePigeon: 3: ToonyMan, Salvatore Monday, Jim Groovester
Salvatore Monday: 2: notquitethere, Anime Pigeon
ToonyMan: 1: Magma Mater
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #503 on: April 08, 2025, 02:36:03 pm »

OK magma, you can't drop that you have info that Pigeon is 100% non-dopp and not expand on that when the vote count looks like this:

AnimePigeon: 3: ToonyMan, Salvatore Monday, Jim Groovester
Salvatore Monday: 2: notquitethere, Anime Pigeon
ToonyMan: 1: Magma Mater

I mean, does it matter? Either I'm human and telling the truth, or doppelganger (in which case AnimePigeon is still human).

There should be no need for me to full claim here.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #504 on: April 08, 2025, 02:37:09 pm »

OK magma, you can't drop that you have info that Pigeon is 100% non-dopp and not expand on that when the vote count looks like this:

AnimePigeon: 3: ToonyMan, Salvatore Monday, Jim Groovester
Salvatore Monday: 2: notquitethere, Anime Pigeon
ToonyMan: 1: Magma Mater

And TO BE FAIR, I have been saying that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger since the start of the day. For some reason it's been ignored by everyone.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #505 on: April 08, 2025, 02:38:22 pm »

The progression from Salvatore is only getting more puzzling.

Certain on Magma Mater, AnimePigeon, Magma Mater, AnimePigeon...

Salvatore you keep going on about how it's sad that I'm Tunnelling you and that I don't understand you, your right - I don't understand you, as imo your play makes 0 sense as a Townie - it only makes sense as a Doppelgänger or Alien.

I've given you plenty of times to enlighten me on what I'm misinterpreting or misunderstanding about you, yet you fail to provide more than complaints about my inability to read you.

Look, everyone else but you gets this, so maybe you should consider the possibility of an alternative explanation. It's not my responsibility or duty to "enlighten you". I don't have any need to care where you put your vote, especially since you have yet to present a credible alternative theory.

Nevertheless, since you seem to be absolutely committed to losing your mind and if necessary the game over this, let me put it succinctly, because right now I'm outright insulted to have been compared to you. Just because I say something does not mean that I have to mean it. You have spent the past two in-game and several real-life days obsessively analyzing my jokes about who I suspected. For example, you complain that I said "Have we decided who we're voting yet? I'm thinking Magma.", but have you noticed that I didn't actually vote Magma at all? That's because Magma has an effective green check from Jim. I "suggested" him because it's an obviously silly choice. The only person I've wanted to vote all in-game day today is you.

ANYWAY.

Magma Mater. I'm not going to put up with this pussyfooting in and out business. Are you specifically committed to claiming that you A) are a telepath and B) targeted Anime and C) received a result of "Survive"? As far as I can tell, that's the only way your claim can hang together. If you won't commit to this or some other theory that works, I am simply going to assume you are mistaken.

OK magma, you can't drop that you have info that Pigeon is 100% non-dopp and not expand on that when the vote count looks like this:

AnimePigeon: 3: ToonyMan, Salvatore Monday, Jim Groovester
Salvatore Monday: 2: notquitethere, Anime Pigeon
ToonyMan: 1: Magma Mater

And TO BE FAIR, I have been saying that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger since the start of the day. For some reason it's been ignored by everyone.
I didn't ignore it, but you wouldn't specify, so I didn't care.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #506 on: April 08, 2025, 02:43:49 pm »

I've not once seen Salvatore try to explain or justify his reads, other than "it's sad you don't understand me" - how exactly does that contribute towards helping towns helping to find towns?
It's simple. You don't get to vote me out. I won't allow it. Now you can assume (correctly) that I'm town and evaluate the state of the game given that information. There you go.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #507 on: April 08, 2025, 02:44:12 pm »

I mean, does it matter? Either I'm human and telling the truth, or doppelganger (in which case AnimePigeon is still human).

It matters to me because you seem to be lying and I'm not sure why.

But sure, you're not Crystal's killer and you're using that status to vouch for animepigeon. Maybe because you're convinced this will be a mis-elim and you're happy to lie to avoid that fate. The other (unlikely) possibility is that you're a dopp-aligned rogue doppelganger and you're trying to muddy the waters.

And TO BE FAIR, I have been saying that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger since the start of the day. For some reason it's been ignored by everyone.
There's a big difference between stating your opinion forcefully and claiming to have hidden information.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #508 on: April 08, 2025, 02:44:53 pm »

Magma Mater. I'm not going to put up with this pussyfooting in and out business. Are you specifically committed to claiming that you A) are a telepath and B) targeted Anime and C) received a result of "Survive"? As far as I can tell, that's the only way your claim can hang together. If you won't commit to this or some other theory that works, I am simply going to assume you are mistaken.

I'll commit to saying that I did not receive a result of "Kill", is that sufficient?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 2 - Blood and Tea
« Reply #509 on: April 08, 2025, 02:48:15 pm »

Magma Mater. I'm not going to put up with this pussyfooting in and out business. Are you specifically committed to claiming that you A) are a telepath and B) targeted Anime and C) received a result of "Survive"? As far as I can tell, that's the only way your claim can hang together. If you won't commit to this or some other theory that works, I am simply going to assume you are mistaken.

I'll commit to saying that I did not receive a result of "Kill", is that sufficient?
No, because in that case I think you cannot be "100% certain that he is human". If you tell me what you got, then I can consider possibilities.
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