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[Dunamisdeos]

About 30k fleet power, and if that's the thing I'm thinking of that eats stars, it is one of the ones that wanders. It does so slowly, however.

[EnigmaticHat]

I even used the console commands to make myself an FE, and then just turn on observe and see what my pacifist xenophile AI does. Turns out, he conquered everyone.

Well that's because that's all the AI does, other than federating, regardless of ethics. And only if they know they have the advantage of numbers.

I love Stellaris, but the AI is pretty useless.

This would explain why my pacifist federation buddies wanted me (a pacifist too) to declare war on another empire to "impose ethics" I believe it was.

I had a game where my federation of... what was it?  My humans were fanatic egalitarian xenophiles, I had a weak federation buddy that was egalitarian materialist xenophile, and a strong one that was militarist xenophile egalitarian.  So basically we were all xenophiles and egalitarians but we disagreed on the details.  Anyway, I forget what the exact mechanic was that spread our ethics but via our influence, and us waging wars to "stop atrocities", and destroying or severely weaking every hive mind, every single empire in the galaxy turned into xenophiles and egalitarians.  The only thing that varied was what the remaining one ethos point was spent on.  So I (and later my more powerful bird buddies) America'd the galaxy.

[Dunamisdeos]

Did they remove the option to emergency FTL a fleet if it gets stuck with no path back to friendly territory.

[forsaken1111]

Did they remove the option to emergency FTL a fleet if it gets stuck with no path back to friendly territory.

no it's still there. Hit B to send it home and it will ftl out if there is no path

[Dunamisdeos]

Did they remove the option to emergency FTL a fleet if it gets stuck with no path back to friendly territory.

no it's still there. Hit B to send it home and it will ftl out if there is no path

Ok so I got a bug then, it wouldn't give me the option to FTL back. Thank you.

[Telgin]

Wait, that was a thing you could do?  I had a science ship trapped across the galaxy because of that and just had to wait for the hostile empire to expand to the system for the ship to go missing, since I didn't know that was something I could do.  This was before the speculative hyperlane breaching tech was introduced.

Relatedly, it's kind of annoying that empires can close borders with magical forcefields.  It would be more interesting if you could go into their territory anyway and just make them mad.

[Dunamisdeos]

I like that option a lot more. Make it a toggle that the ship would ignore diplomatic borders.

[Dorsidwarf]

Wait, that was a thing you could do?  I had a science ship trapped across the galaxy because of that and just had to wait for the hostile empire to expand to the system for the ship to go missing, since I didn't know that was something I could do.  This was before the speculative hyperlane breaching tech was introduced.

Relatedly, it's kind of annoying that empires can close borders with magical forcefields.  It would be more interesting if you could go into their territory anyway and just make them mad.

I think they said it’s a deliberate choice to stop play of the “park capital fleets over every vulnerable word, bypassing any static defenses, then declare war” variety?

[Rolan7]

Aw, did that work at some point?  I played so much CK2 that I never even thought to try it.  Until a couple of weeks ago, out of curiosity, and sure enough my fleet magically got lost for several months.

[Telgin]

I can understand that from a gameplay mechanics point of view, but it also seems reasonable to have static defenses automatically target outsiders if your borders are closed.  I guess that might not be enough, since a defender could theoretically rely on fleets to cut off choke points in addition to stations, and this would presumably make that much harder.

[Orb]

It's the same logic why peace treaties are enforced for 10 years. Yes a treaty shouldn't matter to a purifier empire (which don't do diplomacy and the last thing they'll do is respect a peace treaty), but you know, game play reasons.

[Egan_BW]

I mean, if you REALLY want to have peace treaties in the game, maybe those could be negotiated with the help of fallen empires or such, that will enforce the treaty with force. So that Eternal Total War Fanatic empires might have a semi-plausible reason to respect the treaty, at least in the early game.

It is a little odd that they don't want any complete wars of annihilation with no recourse in a game featuring several empire types with the explicit goal of destroying all other life in the universe.

[Mephansteras]

Yeah, they seem to be having some issues balancing out the 'gamey' aspects with the actual game that they made.

[Rolan7]

I know it's a silly meme which gets repeated *far* too often on /vg/ for the slightest glitches, not even balance choices, but I think it actually applies here...  "Balanced for multiplayer."

[Egan_BW]

If we're playing multiplayer and I pick peaceful xenophiles while you pick devouring swarm, maybe you should just be able to eat me.