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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1247153 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11055 on: December 13, 2015, 05:25:34 pm »

I'm not talking about asking them to inform on their friends. I'm talking about finding some way to make them see their co-workers as enemies.
That... was pretty much the intention of those programs: Creating an atmosphere of mistrust, where everyone is a possible snitch - and where the only way out is snitching yourself.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11056 on: December 13, 2015, 05:48:34 pm »

I'm not talking about asking them to inform on their friends. I'm talking about finding some way to make them see their co-workers as enemies.
That... was pretty much the intention of those programs: Creating an atmosphere of mistrust, where everyone is a possible snitch - and where the only way out is snitching yourself.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11057 on: December 13, 2015, 06:08:36 pm »

I'm not talking about asking them to inform on their friends. I'm talking about finding some way to make them see their co-workers as enemies.
so you're talking about making sure nobody can like their coworkers?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11058 on: December 13, 2015, 09:05:55 pm »

I feel like it's far better to just have them hold their friends accountable.

Don't set up a system that encourages secrecy and hiding. Set up a system that encourages being open. If the cop admits 'yeah, I fucked up', he doesn't get as harsh of a penalty, especially if he comes out about it right away. If it continues happening, yeah, the penalties get harsher; people who are gonna abuse their power can't be allowed to keep it.

But still. Open atmosphere, not snitching one.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11059 on: December 14, 2015, 05:16:44 am »

Police cameras reduce a lot of malpractice, so further roll out of these should help things.

Another thing that could be done is bonus pay linked to a lack of public complaints that need to be dealt with. Processing complaints and compensation is a huge cost for the city, so it makes sense to link police bonuses to a clean record. The cops who end up killing someone often have a bad record of complaints but the rest of the station covers up for them. If it's costing every cop in the precinct actual money, then they'd be much more inclined to reprimand or kick out the guys who fuck up the most. Some sort of internal will and motivation to clean up the act is required, and linking bonus pay to the correct stimulus can help achieve this.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11060 on: December 14, 2015, 12:07:40 pm »

Cameras also reduce the number of problems that officers report with the people they're handling, so it's a win-win.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11061 on: December 14, 2015, 05:53:43 pm »

They also make for whacky liveleak videos to shitpost about

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11062 on: December 14, 2015, 06:25:44 pm »

Sometimes I almost regret that WorldStar didn't overtake Liveleak.
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« Reply #11063 on: December 18, 2015, 04:01:46 pm »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11064 on: December 18, 2015, 04:07:10 pm »

God bless the Ivy Leagues.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11065 on: December 18, 2015, 04:20:53 pm »

I'm more than a little worried that I'm going to encounter a college activist when I'm a student, then I'll start acting like Sgt Strife again and tear into them. Worried and looking forward to a little, I suppose
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11066 on: December 18, 2015, 04:42:36 pm »

If there's any example of the vocal minority, it's college activists painting the picture of what college students are like. It's certainly not impossible, but I haven't encountered a lot of it. I'm even friends with a decent number of people who are essentially SJW-lites, and while they don't make for great dissent they're certainly not as...rabid, as some of the activists you'll see on the news.

I don't suppose you own one of those kill hats drill instructors wear?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11067 on: December 18, 2015, 04:53:45 pm »

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, once again we see the affluenza guy.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/affluenza-teen-head-start-avoiding-authorities/story?id=35822035
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/warrant-issued-arrest-affluenza-teen-ethan-couch-article-1.2467358
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/15/affluenza-teen-serving-probation-for-killing-4-people-in-crash-sought-for.html

Well, for those who don't remember, this spoiled rotten brat in Texas got shitfaced drunk/high and mowed down four people in a heck of an underage drunk driving pedestrian killing spree carried out in a very nice pickup truck. It was nice, until the guy wrecked it into those soon to be four dead people and other wounded ones.

The prosecutor's office moved for 20 years on account of the dead bodies you see. From there he actually said he was given so many privileges that he couldn't tell right from wrong (spoiled rotten). He ended up without a day in jail and settling civil lawsuits against him  and 10 years probation/house arrest. Wait, wait, house arrest, in a mansion.... That's right, all he had to do was stay put in a 4000+ square foot luxury home and he couldn't manage that. He also is shown on tape seemingly playing beer pong..... He hasn't paid his PO a visit in a while and may have fled ....

Am I missing something here or is even Fox News on this little jerk's case? Of course they're playing the "those damn kids" card, but we all know why "affluenza" is a problem and it's not youth.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11068 on: December 18, 2015, 05:04:08 pm »

Heh, I was half-way to posting that m'self. Latest I've been hearing is the guy's being speculated to have fled the country. Fucked up all around, it is.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #11069 on: December 18, 2015, 05:06:14 pm »

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Isn't being unable to tell right from wrong the definition of being criminally insane? The problem isn't that he got off without any jail time with that excuse, it's that he wasn't committed to the looney bin either.
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