I am not commenting "justness" of fees (did you eve read any of my posts at all?). Is something 100$ or 1$ i am not interested. People that dont have to pay anything do have a stake in the conversation. I mean you statment is so out of place, and says a lot about you. And anyone can post complain and problems the game has. Does he pay or not doesnt matter. Thankful people that also paid post same complaints. No buzzwords, just facts how the game works and the implementation of things
You can post and complain all you want. But I still believe your opinion carries less weight than actual supporters. Because you could disappear from the game as a non-contributor and it would have net zero effect on the game. The same can't be said for supporters whose contributions actually keep the game running.
If your opinions were sound instead of just reactionary, I wouldn't care if you pay or not. But just labeling it P2W when you have in fact paid zero is absurd. There are people like you in every F2P game, who want it all for free and object to anything which costs money, even cosmetics. Public stash tabs are a benefit to me, as a paying supporter. Why should I care what you think when you pay nothing and then endlessly complain and accuse the devs of being greedy? What is your stake in the game? At least a large number of players can say they care because they paid. You care because....you've gotten this far without paying a dime and you're terrified you actually may have to in the future? Boohoo, said everyone who has a job. Are you incapable of paying because of where you live? That I might understand. But if this is simply no one is going to watch your trade spam or use the "refuses to pay for public stash tab" website because virtually the whole playerbase moved on to something better....nope, not really feeling sorry for you or agreeing that the game is sliding inexorably toward P2W.
P2W is not a subjective thing. It is defined from do you get benefits from paying real money compared to other people that don't. Yes this is F2P, and its not a excuse to have pay to win crap in it. And also fact is I do not complain about currency tabs. Complains are more about the trade system put behind a pay wall (I didnt post anything about currency tabs, so less assuming and more reading my posts), a system that is very important part of the game. Currency tabs are a lot less of a problems compared to trade stash tabs.
Yes, it is subjective, because I haven't paid to win yet. It's especially not P2W to many people who actually have money and are willing to spend it to support the game. And even if I had paid nothing, I'd still not consider it P2W. I may be just some casual scrub in PoE but I doubt I'm alone in thinking this is, of all the things they could do, minor. And as I pointed out, maybe even necessary so GGG doesn't shoot themselves in the foot giving players what they asked for: better, easier trading. But there's no room for nuance when you just go "Game's going more P2W, GG GGG, I expect nothing less of you." Then you're just acting like an entitled brat.
The entire argument around trading reminds me of the same kind of complaints around mapping. People go "omg you can't sustain past Tier 11 mapping so broken." My response is..."So you farm some lower level maps or buy some Zana maps until you refill your pool. Big fucking deal." Much the same way top players go "omg if you don't trade you'll get nowhere ever" and I've gotten plenty of places in the game without trading a damn thing.
P2W is entirely in the eyes of the beholder. What matters is how much of the player base feels that way about it and quits playing because of it. Got some player numbers to show me.....?
We are assuming, but my assumption are at least based on the response of the community, both forum and popular streamers, while you on nothing. And also Poe forum are representation of the community, as same as streamers, reedit and similar. All of them are representation of the community. Trying to say it's not is just incorrect. And what community thinks is directly presented on the forums and other medias where players express their concerns.
And I guess someone that isn't a top PoE player or streamer or a name on Reddit isn't also part of the community? What about the part of community that thinks "the elites" are being giant babies about the whole thing? Oh I guess we don't count because we don't stream. Believe it or not, forums are not the most representative of any game's community. You act as though no one actually is ok with these changes, and there are plenty who are. Enough that I doubt anything will change and you won't even get an explanation from GGG because they don't think the 1% are truly representative of all the community either. Time will tell. Actually it already has. Their April Fool's joke says they're comfortable enough with what they did they can joke about it. (Hint: the joke is at your expense.)
Yes he did complain about putting basic mechanics behind a pay wall. And that's what I said in my post. You even quote it here. "as he did not ask for pay to win and QoL behind a pay wall, but a better pricing for visual items" Not sure what you dont understand. I never said i don't care about the game (again wild assumptions), as apparently I got interested in the game after starting to comment on this thread..
Yeah, just like I only now started seeing "elite" PoE players blow their tops about stuff, and not like I've been watching it happen year after year on the forums. Or like when I was seeing it 20 years ago when "elite" MMO guild personalities would fly off the handle when Everquest or WoW changed something. Outrage is nothing new. That's what players do; get outraged. At least back in the MMO days they actually had to pay for the right to just talk shit about the game they supposedly like. I'm not saying a dev can't be greedy, can't do something fatally stupid to their game. I've seen plenty of it. I just don't see it with PoE. Freaking out at them for finding a new revenue source that is this minor isn't fair. But you don't care about fair it seems.
When they start selling Exalts and Chaos for cash let me know, I'll grab a torch too. Or maybe not. Because I already play plenty of F2P games that sell damn near half the game in addition to letting you play for it and that shit doesn't really bother me either as long as I don't *need* to buy it. To me your "PoE is going P2W" is just kind of laughable.
If it means anything I wholeheartedly agree with you on one point: if they'd cut prices on cosmetics they'd make boatloads more money. That is the one thing about PoE's monetization of the game I've never understood.
I proven factual examples in most of my post, you just dont like them so ignore them.
You've presented two facts. That is a quote from GGG supporting what you said about the importance of trading to game, and identifying some top players who have problems with it. The rest is you stating an opinion and then telling me it's a fact. So no, I don't have to accept them because none of them are facts.
When you start showing me GGG graphs of falling player counts, falling purchases, absurd broken economies brought on public stash tabs (to the point a player like me would care), then I'll laud your facts and adjust my argument. There's nothing factual to respond to in much of what you said other than "GGG said this thing one time" and "some big names in PoE don't like it." Am I missing anything?
There was a uproar of the community when they released the paid stash tab changes. If the game is going in worse direction and more pay to win, no matter who the developer is and no matter is a game free to play, they should be called out on it. Please if you want to continue commenting be sure to read my post, and dont assume things in I guess lack of arguments.
If you want to keep discussing this, quit trying to shove your interpretation of reality down my throat as fact. It's not. I can totally agree that we just disagree about what is P2W, how PoE
needs to be played, whatever. But if you're just going to dig your heels in and assert that you know what reality is and I'm just blind and ignorant, don't bother. It ain't worth my time to read or your time to write.
Anyway keep playing the game, not sure why you need to post about it and what you will buy, I guess you are too insecure in all this. But again you are acting like a very standard POE fanboy, and this post just confirms that.
Well, thanks for finally tipping your hand. We're all just "scrubs" because we don't get "the truth" that "the elites on Youtube and reddit" do. Might want to go back and re-read your attitude about opinions and paying for the game, because you're essentially telling me my opinion and the opinions of standard players don't count, or count less, because we're not elite. Enjoy your hypocrisy.
The sad thing is, I can expect GGG to implement crap like that in the game, as how much they focus on the economy part of the game.
Lol, you can't even take an April Fool's joke gracefully. Damn you're so salty.
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