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[Starver]

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I heard the Wilhelm scream right near the beginning.

Why do they snatch children at a young age to turn into stormtroopers (such as Finn, or however you spell his name) when there's a perfectly good clonetrooper making facility? (I assumed it had been destroyed or taken out of commission or something, but my friend says it should still be operational.)

The Rebels' home base planet has a ring around it. A planet that size would not be able to support one for very long, indicating it's relatively new. In that case, why aren't there a bunch of craters on the planet surface?

The First Order's Super Weapon planet collapses into a star at the end. That's one really small star. In fact, it is completely impossible for a viable star to be that small.

How the hell was the Millenium Falcon able to go through a ship's hanger at hyperspeed without completely destroying itself?

And for that matter, how was it able to go through a planet's atmosphere at hyperspeed without both completely destroying itself and setting the atmosphere on fire?

[edit: Hmm, well I didn't, instead I decided to just assume you'd follow the order.  And yet I also seemed to skip some things...  Unskipping them in this edit.]

In general order:

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I've no problem with the scream, personally.

Covered by someone else, as good as any of my own reasoning.

Possibly fairly new (from recent galactic conflict?), but I think it's possibly actually quite ancient and stable and herded in resonance with small 'shepherd moons'.  And a thin-ring debris field, like how I recall it was, could mean that anything that's not already ground down to chunks more manageable than anything that would create a propensity of visible craters-sized objects, but that what's left only drops into a narrow equatorial band; furthermore that with an actively weathering and re-growthing biosphere anything that does make a significant dent in the surface will cover up pretty smartish, after the vegetation fires have gone out and the fire-adapted plants quickly reseed the nutrient-rich area.  But then we also have the Castle Cantina world being almost entirely lush Lake District, with no sign of less temperate poles, more arid equator or plate tectonics to indicate why it isn't all low hills.  (Or, alternately, the low proportion of open water coverage, say 10%, and almost nothing in the way of global cloud cover doesn't explain the ability to support so much greenery except maybe by eternally and universally soggy spongelike pedosphere drawing water out of the lake-sumps, substituting for earthlike precipitation... but that doesn't easily mesh with the terrain around the cantina, its landing ground and the woods... unless that's because that's a rare non-boggy/non-lake/non-hilltop-bedrock location.)  ...anyway, what I'm saying is that Star Wars planets seem to subscribe to whole-body archetypes that doesn't always mesh well with logic and physics, so... meh...

...impossible for it to be a star for very long.  I suppose it could expand back up to (most of) the original sun's (original) mass and/or evaporate away and/or fizzle out as a metal-heavy brown-dwarf remnant as an unsustainable mainstream stellar mass.  But it's already too late for the superweapon and the many, many ground crew so the camera need not linger for the hours, days, weeks or years it would take to no longer look like that initial angry planet-sized sun.

It probably doesn't crash into asteroids (or anything less massive than an entire planet, or perhaps even a sun, which seem to be vital navigational elements when following a course through hyperspace) when going at Hyperspeed.  If you have a quick enough run-up to hyperspeed, it's possible that you can get to the point where the bay door (and maintained atmosphere) aren't relevent.  But you'd have to discuss that with a person fully-conversant with the physics of hyperspeed, and there aren't that many around...

But it's a desperate measure, similarly to that repeated during the infiltration part, later on, so we know it's not considered safe.

Forcefields, probably.  Non-hypersped coronal gasses already were dragged down...  I'd postulate that around the intake/barrel superstructure there is a projected cone of air-proof forcefield (along the lines of that across the hanger-door of carrier spaceships) that allows a localised low/zero-pressure zone of sky leading up to space, like what The Day After Tomorrow said was happening with the insta-freeze (unless you close quite regular-looking doors) effect.  But more feasibly so than in that particular The Day After Tomorrow handwavium.  Not that that's saying much...

So a mix there of excusable and inexcusable points, depending on how much you like your Power Of Plot or your Constancy Of Canon...

[Egan_BW]

Science. Fantasy. Solved.

[Aseaheru]

For The Revenant:

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 Two things, as I dident see much of the movie. However...

1. Hes hunting with a carbine-length weapon. Hopefully a rifled weapon, but a carbine length? Just...
2. Hes hunting bears. While both he and the bear are on the ground. Just...

[Bohandas]

When the sets and costume design and overall feel of a movie based on a TV show is different from that TV show. That bothers me.

My first encounter of this was when I was a kid with the Power Rangers movie, but I've since encountered it elsewhere as well.

I've actually even seen this happen in movies that aren't even live-action, the Spongebob movies for example, especially the first one, where the animation is different, Neptune's design is completely different than it is in the show, and Spongebob and Patrick are obsessed with an ice-cream shop that hasn't been seen before or since

[Parsely]

For The Revenant:

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 Two things, as I dident see much of the movie. However...

1. Hes hunting with a carbine-length weapon. Hopefully a rifled weapon, but a carbine length? Just...
2. Hes hunting bears. While both he and the bear are on the ground. Just...

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I would think that bore size is more important than the actual length when hunting big game. Having a light weapon has it's own advantages when hunting.

Also, the carbine you're referring to is a musket (so no rifling) called the Brown Bess, the projectiles were around 18mms in size, but there was also a rifle used in the movie.

Science. Fantasy. Solved.

That's only an answer if the story offers it as one, like when they technobabble in Star Trek. It's still wrong, but at least you can say it was a problem the writers knew about and intentionally handwaved. Otherwise, in the absence of other evidence (interviews), I think it's always fair to assume the writer made a mistake and thus a nitpick can be called fair, in a sense.

I'm not referring to anything specifically aforementioned since I haven't seen the new Star Wars yet. Just speaking generally.

[Sergius]

When the sets and costume design and overall feel of a movie based on a TV show is different from that TV show. That bothers me.

My first encounter of this was when I was a kid with the Power Rangers movie, but I've since encountered it elsewhere as well.

Well, at least in that specific case, I can especulate that the reason is that they actually filmed the scenes for the movies, including fight scenes and costumes, while the TV shows are just a bunch of stock footage from Japanese shows stringed together by scenes of US actors in plain clothes with some occasional cosplaying.

I don't have any actual evidence that the former is true to (the movie part) but it's my guess.

[Bohandas]

I put my responses inline to avoid BBCode spoiler mess.

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The First Order's Super Weapon planet collapses into a star at the end. That's one really small star. In fact, it is completely impossible for a viable star to be that small.

If the mass of a complete star of a certain size was sucked into the planet (and compressed somehow) I think it's also safe to assume that the resulting star would expand to its original size. Even if the whole star was not sucked but only a big fraction. I think a bigger problem is that the star was unrealistically small to begin with, but that's could be just an error with showing scale.

They could have compressed it enough to turn it into neutron-degenerate matter; and/or already burned off a significant portion of it powering up whatever technobabble runs the main weapon

[LordBaal]

Saw the Revenant

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I think Leo migth have the oscar in the bag this time. Anyway, the nit..Fitzgerald could have saved a lot of trouble had he killed Glass after killing his son Hawk, it seemed like he had plenty of time alone afterward, but then he was cuckoo for coco pops and very inestable. The real and only nitpick I have is how close Hawk's body was (a mangled Glass seemed to find him after crawling a few seconds) and the other guy that was honestly looking for Hawk didn't found it, despite the body seems to be no less than 20 meters away.

[Bohandas]

When the sets and costume design and overall feel of a movie based on a TV show is different from that TV show. That bothers me.

My first encounter of this was when I was a kid with the Power Rangers movie, but I've since encountered it elsewhere as well.

Well, at least in that specific case, I can especulate that the reason is that they actually filmed the scenes for the movies, including fight scenes and costumes, while the TV shows are just a bunch of stock footage from Japanese shows stringed together by scenes of US actors in plain clothes with some occasional cosplaying.

I don't have any actual evidence that the former is true to (the movie part) but it's my guess.

Har har. It wasn't made of stock footage. The Power Rangers TV show had production values at least as high as Plan 9 From Outer Space.

[Sergius]

When the sets and costume design and overall feel of a movie based on a TV show is different from that TV show. That bothers me.

My first encounter of this was when I was a kid with the Power Rangers movie, but I've since encountered it elsewhere as well.

Well, at least in that specific case, I can especulate that the reason is that they actually filmed the scenes for the movies, including fight scenes and costumes, while the TV shows are just a bunch of stock footage from Japanese shows stringed together by scenes of US actors in plain clothes with some occasional cosplaying.

I don't have any actual evidence that the former is true to (the movie part) but it's my guess.

Har har. It wasn't made of stock footage. The Power Rangers TV show had production values at least as high as Plan 9 From Outer Space.

Just in case it's not sarcasm:

Production of Power Rangers episodes involves extensive localization of and revision of original Super Sentai source material in order to incorporate American culture and conform to American television standards. Rather than making an English dub or translation of the Japanese footage, Power Rangers programs consist of scenes featuring English-speaking actors (either from the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or the United Kingdom) spliced with scenes featuring either Japanese actors dubbed into English or the action scenes from the Super Sentai Series featuring the Rangers fighting monsters or the giant robot (Zord and Megazord) battles with English dubbing. In some series, original fight scenes are filmed to incorporate characters or items unique to the Power Rangers production.[5] Like many of Saban Entertainment previous ventures in localizing Japanese television for a Western audience, the plot, character names, and other names usually differ greatly from the source footage, though a few seasons have stayed close to the story of the original Super Sentai season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sentai

By stock footage, I meant purchased footage, or whatever it is that the footage that you get for localization is called. But I doubt they used japanese footage for the US movie (that's why it doesn't look like footage from a cheap TV show... it looks like a cheap movie instead). I think there's like one scene in the first 30 seconds where the original Japanese villains get kicked off the planet or something by the "new" all-American villain. Then all the fight scenes had to be made specifically for the movie.

Also at least in one case a female ranger was originally a male in the japanese show, and is played by a male in those fight scenes, and it shows. (first series Yellow ranger I think?)


EDIT: Also, this is for making me talk about the Power Rangers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoFJxRtz-Ik

[Bohandas]

Yeah but only some of the fight scenes were recycled, not all of them. It's as much a bad remake as it is a bad localization.

[Sergius]

Yeah but only some of the fight scenes were recycled, not all of them. It's as much a bad remake as it is a bad localization.

Any scene where there isn't an american actor out of costume can safely be assumed to be recycled, I believe. But the point is, regardless of which scenes are recycled or not, the fresh ones had to be filmed to match the quality of the original footage, to keep the charade going.

[LordBaal]

Saw the good dinosaur... it's a movie that exudes photorealism in every frame, really great visuals. I mean, the fucking water seems more realistic than what you see in real life for pete's sake.

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is as pointless as a movie gets. There's a start, then a complication then the end.

1. First of all, yeah another Disney movie where the dad/mom dies. What a flashing surprise... That's a stupid fad that's starting to get old. 70 years old by now, so we all should be used to it. However, for whatever subconscious reason this movie manages to bring up to the table how, old, stupid and needlessly this move is. Is predictable to no end by now.

In all honesty, it feels shoehorned into the movie, which could have been pretty much the same without the dad dying. Hell it could have been even better if the dad was alive since then you could have a story about him also looking for his son or something else, instead of the hour and half of magnificent digital paradises polluted by the most cartoonish and out of place characters ever (more on this ahead).

We get it, Walt Disney (presumably)felt guilty about his mom's death, GET fucking over it, the guy is already dead, you don't need to do his bidding any more, you are not Walt Disney. So unless his sitting upon the Frozen Throne and the studio gets orders via Walt's Tarot or something. Stop making the same fucking movie simply switching the settings.

Which bring me to the next point.

2. The movie set off with this great, what if scenario, and uses it to... nothing... No really, nothing comes out of this. The history would have been exactly the same with humans, monkeys, robots, aliens, bacteria, emos, muppets, anthropomorphic heavy machinery, rocks or a Eddie Murphy robot controlled by a tiny Eddie Murphy and a bunch of comedic relief idiots.

Beside showing us that had they not be vaporized by an asteroid, dinosaurs might have developed some really shady agriculture (they somehow managed to develop corn just like we did. Is this movie happening in Mexico? And how much food a gigantic dinosaur needs to keep itself alive through a winter? I bet that little silo didn't hold up enough even for the children, let alone the two adults) there's nothing much else to it.

3. Oh well it also show us that they would have devolved into cheap cartoonish creatures that are so remarkably different from the environment that makes you think they left character development and rendering to the last and ran out of money just before doing them. The characters look really.... stupid I have no other word for it. They are out of phase with the rest of the movie so hard that their looks are distracting to no end. Their heads are a testament that evolution is the survival of the squarest.

I'm not saying that the characters themselves are badly made, because they are not, and the production even keep details like bruisers constant and that's a nice detail. What I'm saying is that they feel out of place. Really hard. Imagine I don't know, if Saving Private Ryan was filmed with a repeating Hanna Barbera background of France with some baguettes and nazis dotted here and there and you should get an idea. The studio either should have made the dinosaurs and humans look better or the environment more cartoon like to match.

4. So far we have:
- A beautiful, beyond photo realistic world with majestic views.
- An interesting alternative history scenario.
- Dull and cheap looking(compared to everything else) out of place characters, but that still have potential and let's face it, is a children movie so some silliness is to be expected.

So let's make a great movie, something epic like The Land Before Time (the first one) or Men in the High Castle alternate history quality. But no, instead you end up with Theodore Rex quality. Suddenly you expect that a cave woman Whoopi Goldberg will pop out any minute.

As already said not much happens on the movie. The dad dies (oh, I didn't saw that coming Disney, is nice to see you are keeping it fresh ._. ), the boy get lost, he encounters some mildly annoying problems, he overcomes his fears, get back home, credit rolls, Whoopi Goldberg doesn't appear.

If one watches this movie on mute, and somewhat removed the character layer from the video, you'll end up with a beautiful and stylish documentary about some beautiful natural scenarios, AND you'll still have seen pretty much the same movie anyway.

I guess the other only lesson is that humans would have evolved anyway, but just not that, but they would have evolved a sense of shame to cover themselves too. Something the dinosaurs, with those extra 64 million of evolution they got in this what if scenario didn't manage to do. How the fuck do you invent construction and agriculture but somehow forget pants along the way? Didn't they thought that some clothes could have helped to fare the winter better? Is evolution really the survival of the dressiest instead of the blockiest?

[Sergius]

Movies where the danger of something is overstated or doesn't match what's shown onscreen.

My example would be the "the Thing" movie, (I haven't watched the newest one but got most of it from synopsis, but I guess it applies to that one too).

It's always stated that "a single cell" can infiltrate another organism and convert it. Yet, it's always shown that the monster is always in close proximity of the heroes, spitting saliva-like stuff everywhere (none of which gets on any of the main characters). So it's really hard to believe that none of them get turned just by a single drop of whatever. Or just touching something that the monster has touched (leaving residue I assume, or even loose cells?). Always someone is turned off-screen or by being very obviously stabbed by a giant appendage (which more often than not results in death rather than conversion).

So, basically, characters have plot immunity until the script says they are killed or whatever, while in practice it would be completely impossible to avoid exposure by "a single cell". They torch the monster but torching something doesn't destroy every "single cell" certainly? Not to mention all the monster goop left behind everywhere.

In the 1982 movie, it's stated at some point that the process requires "darkness". But darkness is very relative. I mean, if a "single cell" gets in your pants it's probably dark inside. There are shadows, so any character that isn't surrounded 360 degrees by floodlights would probably be in danger. It's not like you're going to achieve complete pitch darkness if there's even some exposed sky even at night, unless you're deep in some caves or inside a specially sealed room, like a refrigerator or a cellar.

My only conclusions are 1) plot armor 2) overstated infection abilities 3) 100% chance that everyone is exposed anyway so given time depending on amount of exposure they'll all convert into Thing-mass eventually. #3 is sorta kinda implied sometimes but, eh. Annoys me to no end that the characters even pretend otherwise.

[LordBaal]

That's what is called internal logic inconsistency. It's the greatest bummer of all and characteristic of lazy writers or build upon to comedic ends.

In the case of the thing if the organism really works infecting people in such way that a single cell will kill you then yes, everyone is death from the moment they breathe. To engage they should need pressurised suits, lots of fire and decontaminating showers that self-destruct after use or whatever.

They say a single cell infects you, however as you point out the events of the movie shows otherwise that directly contradicts the dialogue. Perhaps it's something far more complicated, or require special cells or lots of them. But that would be the writers work to figure out, not you. So in this case the best explanation they can come up with is: