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[Mlamlah]

Hrmm, indeed, it wouldn't hurt to make a friend with the enemy of our enemy. Though, not sure if they'll take kindly to us. Mostly i want to strengthen our position here at the tower, we arn't particularly unassailable right now.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Of course. Maybe we should go for a tribe in the meantime.

[Mlamlah]

Couldn't hurt, at best we get a stable food/fear source and expendable minions, at worst we earn the ire of a tribe of primitives. Though i suppose they could be something of a threat if we did not handle that correctly.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Especially if the elves liked that tribe...

[Mlamlah]

Still, our most beneficial victories came with risk, and here i think the potential gain is higher than the risk.

[gman8181]

I support family time, then practice magic (maybe earth but any magic is good), and maybe as a longer term goal, try and pose as a god and take over a human civilization.  It works for demons why not us?  After we get human allies we can have them conduct raids on elven or goblin civilizations to sate our hunger for fear and flesh (lol).  After we take over the humans, I say we slowly weed out all the humans that are magic users who don't swear complete loyalty to us.  The ones that do get set up as a top tier priest like class that administer our territory for us.  This should cement our power quite nicely and we can declare all magic users who don't serve us heretics.  Of course this all assumes humans are unaware of what we truly are and that it is possible to trick them.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Still, our most beneficial victories came with risk, and here i think the potential gain is higher than the risk.

Agreed.

I support family time, then practice magic (maybe earth but any magic is good), and maybe as a longer term goal, try and pose as a god and take over a human civilization.  It works for demons why not us?  After we get human allies we can have them conduct raids on elven or goblin civilizations to sate our hunger for fear and flesh (lol).  After we take over the humans, I say we slowly weed out all the humans that are magic users who don't swear complete loyalty to us.  The ones that do get set up as a top tier priest like class that administer our territory for us.  This should cement our power quite nicely and we can declare all magic users who don't serve us heretics.  Of course this all assumes humans are unaware of what we truly are and that it is possible to trick them.

Demons can fake being human gods. Any gods of jumping chameleon things? Green, flame-winged harpies?

[gman8181]

Still, our most beneficial victories came with risk, and here i think the potential gain is higher than the risk.

Agreed.

I support family time, then practice magic (maybe earth but any magic is good), and maybe as a longer term goal, try and pose as a god and take over a human civilization.  It works for demons why not us?  After we get human allies we can have them conduct raids on elven or goblin civilizations to sate our hunger for fear and flesh (lol).  After we take over the humans, I say we slowly weed out all the humans that are magic users who don't swear complete loyalty to us.  The ones that do get set up as a top tier priest like class that administer our territory for us.  This should cement our power quite nicely and we can declare all magic users who don't serve us heretics.  Of course this all assumes humans are unaware of what we truly are and that it is possible to trick them.

Demons can fake being human gods. Any gods of jumping chameleon things? Green, flame-winged harpies?

I don't think they can take human form.  I'm pretty sure they just pretend to be a god that matches their description.  We don't have to be an exact match just close enough and maybe with the help of a little magic.  If that fails we could take over a goblin civilization.  If I recall correctly we would just need to prove ourself being more powerful than the current ruler.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I support family time, then practice magic (maybe earth but any magic is good), and maybe as a longer term goal, try and pose as a god and take over a human civilization.  It works for demons why not us?  After we get human allies we can have them conduct raids on elven or goblin civilizations to sate our hunger for fear and flesh (lol).  After we take over the humans, I say we slowly weed out all the humans that are magic users who don't swear complete loyalty to us.  The ones that do get set up as a top tier priest like class that administer our territory for us.  This should cement our power quite nicely and we can declare all magic users who don't serve us heretics.  Of course this all assumes humans are unaware of what we truly are and that it is possible to trick them.

Demons can fake being human gods. Any gods of jumping chameleon things? Green, flame-winged harpies?

I don't think they can take human form.  I'm pretty sure they just pretend to be a god that matches their description.  We don't have to be an exact match just close enough and maybe with the help of a little magic.  If that fails we could take over a goblin civilization.  If I recall correctly we would just need to prove ourself being more powerful than the current ruler.
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Currently, demons don't...but night trolls can't jump or have chameleon skin, either.
Proving ourself stronger than the goblin's leader is going to be easy if it's a goblin, but good luck killing a demon...

[gman8181]

Alright well we could always ask foghorn when he arrives about local human, goblin and animal people civilizations.  Let's just keep our options open.

[StrawBarrel]

Just keep in mind that all states are not the based on races, guys. We should not exactly classify races of creatures as being one single country or similar states. We have seen the possibly divine cult monarchist kingdom (the queen calls here self a descent of a god, which is most likely not true and also I am not sure how to interpret its government with the current info) of the mostly elf, but contains same racial ethic groups (Dawnmaiden). Everpine seems like some independent elven city state that is possibly democratic or a dictatorship (our elf friend has some type of position in it). The third elven town has night creatures in it and may just be a haven for outcasts (have not traveled to yet). There is a dwarven settlement of which our ghost friend comes, which we have no clue about. Also there is a human town being siege by non-human armies. From this information, especially the three elf towns, it can be seen that all states’ motives will not directly correlate with its inhabitants’ races. We just can’t assume that so much, we have to find out more.

We shouldn’t think that possibility of allying with elves is not possible, more likely we would not be able to ally with Everpine and its allies. Also any elves, goblins, and other veterans of the night troll genocide will probably hate us because they’re racist.

[GreatWyrmGold]

True enough. Still, most nations will likely be mainly of one race. After all, IRL, most nations are predominantly one ethnicity despite globalization, at least a century of trying to stomp out racism in most areas, and the relative similarities of the cultures and phenotypes of humans.

[Thecard]

Humans have the lowest lifespan.  They're more inclined to forget about us being terrible and stuff.  If we ally with a civ, it'll most likely be some kind of human tribal civ.

Really, a confederacy of human and animalmen tribes is probably the best nation to ally ourselves with, especially if we cement that confederacy using some kind of puppet.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Dwarves might not be too bad. They tend to dislike elves, tend towards the pragmatic, often found settlements in areas where they could well be desperate (in DF, at least), and we have that dwarven spirit here...

[Thecard]

True.  I'd just rather stay away from any kind of large and united government.

So, gaining some Dwarven outposts might be fun, and feasible!


I still really think our best bet would be to join a bunch of weak tribes together with a puppet leader.  It would be easier to remove those who opposed us without upsetting the whole nation.
Would also give us more control than an alliance, without us being the ruler.  We'd have some kind of control over the leader, of course, but it would appear as if we are just allied.