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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
- 7 (6.5%)
Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
- 13 (12%)
Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6420 on: April 07, 2014, 11:27:47 am »

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go see if it's up to the old standards.


Also, I forgot to actually comment on this one:
This is kind of America.  And interesting.

Mexican Vigilantes
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26918961

I hadn't heard a thing about such vigilantes before. But, iirc, didn't one of the now-biggest drug cartels start out as a "self defence group"/vigilantes as well?
The vigilantes are problematic, but it seems like they've been doing more good than bad on the whole. They'll need to go eventually, but the gov't had better be really sure of its hold before it disbands 'em.


[Also, one of Emperor Norton's titles was 'Protector of Mexico'. So such discussions should be fine here =P ]
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6421 on: April 07, 2014, 11:30:02 am »

The problem is, you have to defend yourself against the cartels or they'll kill you. But to defend yourself you need weapons, logistics, and the ability to counter-bribe the people the cartels are bribing. So you need money. A lot of money. And to get that much money....you start selling drugs. Eventually, you have to start acting ruthlessly if you want to make a real dent in the cartels. The cycle continues.
Haven't the Mormons and Autodefensas got around that by just killing/removing people who were under cartel payrolls?

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6422 on: April 07, 2014, 11:38:47 am »

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go we if it's up to the old standards.
I've thought it has been. It's great to have FiveThirtyEight be not on NYT, the bastards.
Haven't the Mormons and Autodefensas got around that by just killing/removing people who were under cartel payrolls?
If so, it might explain the disturbing spiral of all public officials being murdered. Either you don't take cartel payoffs and die, or you do take cartel payoffs and die.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6423 on: April 07, 2014, 01:21:06 pm »

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go we if it's up to the old standards.
I've thought it has been. It's great to have FiveThirtyEight be not on NYT, the bastards.

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6424 on: April 07, 2014, 01:22:27 pm »

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis witchery on sports *and* politics?

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6425 on: April 07, 2014, 02:50:06 pm »


So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?


Remove the word advanced and put scare quotes around the word analysis.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6426 on: April 07, 2014, 05:29:42 pm »

If so, it might explain the disturbing spiral of all public officials being murdered. Either you don't take cartel payoffs and die, or you do take cartel payoffs and die.
Yeah, it's hard not to mention "death" when a sentence includes "Mexico" and "cartels."

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6427 on: April 07, 2014, 05:34:02 pm »


So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?


Remove the word advanced and put scare quotes around the word analysis.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6428 on: April 07, 2014, 09:11:09 pm »

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6429 on: April 07, 2014, 09:17:24 pm »

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6430 on: April 07, 2014, 09:25:18 pm »

Even if you don't ignore obvious troll answers (such as every single answer in North America), the clustering isn't really that bad, viewed in a geopolitical context. The vast majority of answers are either in very close proximity to the Ukraine, in Western Russia (these are likely the older respondents who remember that giant blob as the Soviet Union, and remembering that the Ukraine was along the western edge), or just across the southern border instead of the western one. In other words, the vast majority believe that the crisis is happening in the central region of Europe. This is correct, even if many were off in the strict technical sense. It's not really that different from Europeans who think all of the US is California or Texas.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6431 on: April 07, 2014, 10:17:56 pm »

Then again: Greenland.

The ones in the steppes are also a little weird, what's up with Kazakhstan? I GUESS it kind of vaguely looks like Ukraine, and if all you'd seen recently were isolated maps of Ukraine, the big country that looks sort of how you remember that funny lookin' country being will pop out more than the similar one bundled up with a whole lot of other countries. Still a little strange though!
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6432 on: April 07, 2014, 10:22:24 pm »

Then again: Greenland.

The ones in the steppes are also a little weird, what's up with Kazakhstan? I GUESS it kind of vaguely looks like Ukraine, and if all you'd seen recently were isolated maps of Ukraine, the big country that looks sort of how you remember that funny lookin' country being will pop out more than the similar one bundled up with a whole lot of other countries. Still a little strange though!
Heh, at least Kazakhstan does have a sizable Russian minority.  I suppose that's a step up on some of the other guesses in Asia.  I mean, Pakistan and Nepal?
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6433 on: April 07, 2014, 10:37:20 pm »

Then again: Greenland.

The ones in the steppes are also a little weird, what's up with Kazakhstan? I GUESS it kind of vaguely looks like Ukraine, and if all you'd seen recently were isolated maps of Ukraine, the big country that looks sort of how you remember that funny lookin' country being will pop out more than the similar one bundled up with a whole lot of other countries. Still a little strange though!
Heh, at least Kazakhstan does have a sizable Russian minority.  I suppose that's a step up on some of the other guesses in Asia.  I mean, Pakistan and Nepal?
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6434 on: April 07, 2014, 10:59:49 pm »

Ukraine is in Kansas morons, get your facts straight.
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