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« Reply #1425 on: April 22, 2024, 12:37:48 pm »

Double-posting feels poor, but this is a new entry:

Damsel is a way better "princess" movie than anything the House of Mouse has put out in many years. Finally writers that trust the audience a bit, very little narrative spoon-feeding.  And, I daresay, a good way of how to do a strong heroine.  A little trope-heavy, but not cliche; overall I think it is a very good dragon flick.  Some seriously fine dragonfire effects too!

It does have a really strange visual tone to it though.  The color palette and filmography style is "high Disney" but the content is darker.  Such an interesting juxtaposition.

Part of what I mean about filmography is the imaging is "too crisp" (basically, too digital & too high a frame rate) - I want me some film grain or something, at least. And make it real, not digitally simulated!

There were a few janky green-screen cuts... and an odd dichotomy in CG quality from cut to cut...but not terrible given what looks like a made-for-TV budget.  There is some surprising intelligent detail, too - like a sword that got hit by dragonfire has annealing discoloration on it.
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Re: The Movie Discussion Thread!
« Reply #1426 on: June 08, 2024, 06:13:54 pm »

I think statute of limitations has passed.  I finally saw it:

Godzilla Minus One

That's how you do monster movies!
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« Reply #1427 on: June 10, 2024, 06:35:05 pm »

I too had been waiting to see it, and now that I'm watching it, I'm being annoyed by a number of little things. Mild spoilers of little consequence ahead.

The biggest of the little things being probably people not reacting rationally to the rather important revelation of there being a goddamn monster. Like the guy knowing Godzilla is coming, and that the government doesn't want to evacuate, so he's just gonna sit there with his adopted family instead of taking everyone he cares about and running for the fucking hills. 
And everyone's generally a bit too blase about the realisation that there exists a fuckhuge impossible monster in this world they're living in. Like, when the wife girlfriend roommate listens to his story from the war, the reaction I'd expect would be 'wait, you saw a what now??'. But she completely ignores it and is instead all consoling about his feels. (the most charitable, but never telegraphed, an interpretation would be that she thinks he's gone bonkers so she'd better not engage)
Also, the ruins are too pristine, the leads are too pretty, and every ship appears to have six people on it.
I get the monster is and has always been a metaphor for war, and I get the relatively tight budget, and the throwbacks to the classics, but it's not matching up to the hype imo. Like all Godzilla films I've seen, it feels cheap in all the wrong ways. At least Shin Godzilla had an audaciously designed monster - this one's very competently done, but by the book.

Bleh. Not sure I'll finish it.

Oh, and the people of Tokyo seem to be very fond of the Prometheus school of running away from danger.
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« Reply #1428 on: June 11, 2024, 04:27:10 am »

Feels to me like these newer Godzilla movies lack the soul of the original ones, not to say they're bad it's just that they don't feel the same.
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Re: The Movie Discussion Thread!
« Reply #1429 on: June 11, 2024, 04:54:59 am »

I am by no means a fan of the Godzilla movies (prior to last year, I had only seen the poorly-regarded American version) so I have no idea how Minus One compares with the average film in the series. I did leave the theater with the impression that it was a good film, but one that would have probably remained within the circles of Godzilla fans had it not been released in the middle of a Christmas season where no other film worth watching was released.
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« Reply #1430 on: June 11, 2024, 08:28:28 am »

I'm not sure how Minus one compares to all the other Godzilla movies (I 've only watched the 1999 and 2014 american ones), but I think it's a (very?) good movie in general.

My only gripes would be the train scene which was a bit wonky in execution and the "feel good" ending which, in my opinion, subtracts from the main character's arc. Apart from these, I think it does a great job at conveying the sheer helplessness and desperation of going against something so powerful.
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« Reply #1431 on: June 11, 2024, 10:18:55 am »

I think the good things about the movie were that it focused on the story of the movie, not trying to shoehorn in any other side-themes that can distract or get in the way.  There was no product placement, no moralizing, no "look at this particular demographic we included" no "see how righteous we are about this" no "see it's all this group's fault, not our fault!*" - it was just pure humanity against mindless, wild violence.

For the rest - yeah the basic tropes of monster movies were present, but it was well-executed.

*What little "blame" there was, was often portrayed as self reflection, not "blaming the other", perhaps with an exception of the civilians against the military leaders.
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« Reply #1432 on: June 17, 2024, 12:40:39 am »

Watched An American Tail over the weekend with the kids. I'd completely forgotten that the climax of the movie involved the mice actually building the Golem of Prague "Giant Mouse of Minsk" (in the form of a big wooden puppet) and using it to attack the cats of New York. I remembered the storytelling at the beginning and the allusion therein, but not what happened at the end.
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« Reply #1433 on: June 23, 2024, 10:19:39 am »

I watched Inside out 2. Fun and interesting metaphors, but not ground breaking. It delivers what is expected.

The puberty thing reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlKzp8LVcQ

Which would make for a rather fun movie when Libido takes over, but I doubt Disney would approve that.

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« Reply #1434 on: August 18, 2024, 11:03:37 pm »

I saw Alien: Romulus in theaters yesterday.  I was cautiously optimistic after reading that it had high reviews, but was nervous after reading that Alien fans were mad at the twist ending.

Overall impression: I agreed with that.  I have a hard time assigning a score out of 10 for the movie for a lot of reasons.  I'm an unpleasable Alien fan so I knew I'd have nitpicks, but... eh, the ending really didn't work for me.  My initial reaction was extremely negative, but it's cooled a bit to me just generally disliking the ending.

I loved the first 2/3rds of the movie, but after that it felt like it floundered a bit before falling at the finish line and breaking both legs.

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So... ugh... long story short, if they trimmed out some of the cringe reference lines and reworked or removed the last 10 minutes or so of the movie, I'd probably give it 7/10 or 8/10.  Even with the ending we got, I'd still say it's the best Alien movie since Alien 3, even if that isn't necessarily saying a lot.

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« Reply #1435 on: August 19, 2024, 01:19:28 am »

I've always been bothered by the introduction of the queen/hive structure. The way the eggs were made in the original was the best: creepiest, and most logically consistent (or, to quote Ash: 'I admire its purity'). The bombastic, overwhelming rule of cool in Aliens was enough to give it a pass then, but it already started to stretch the credulity of how the aliens manage to keep going as a species - as well as sapping the danger they posed. It only kept getting worse with each new instalment and each new addition to the lore of the alien biology.
By now I expect it all to not make any damn sense. It's practically impossible for any screenwriter not trip over the venerable scaffolding of ducttaped bullshit the preceding films have constructed.

Sticking to the first iteration of the alien life cycle would solve most logic problems with how a new infestation starts from a single individual/egg, is what I'm saying.
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« Reply #1436 on: August 19, 2024, 06:27:05 am »

I have not seen A:R yet (nor quite sure when I will, I hope to be "in the 'big city'" with time to spare at some point, but my cinematic roullette may land upon something else I'm interested in that's more conveniently timed for the next time I've got that window...). So no spoilers from me. But being an early Alien 'fan' (not necessarily kept up with all developments in canon/fanon over time, tbough), my headcanon was always pretty much of the Komodo Dragon style procreation (mixed with the context of a social-insect colony).

i.e. parthogenesis by a female (ZW-chromosomes, in Komodos) creates an individual with a 'male' complement of sex chromosomes (Z-eggs double to viable ZZs, W-eggs become infertile WWs), so a lone female washed up on an island/planet then has males from which to breed 'normally' (ZZxZW => more ZZ and ZWs).

Although probably standard insectile haplodiploidy was always intended as the inspiration. The disadvantages of relying upon that system (a lone non-queen would be unable to start any dynastic nest) could be accounted for by a few tweaks. A lone diploid worker (female, non-queen) does eventually get the opportunity to get any normally haploid eggs (that would produce male drones) fertilised through a 'lone-ness trigger' instead of requiring deliberate and explicit royal-jelly application by her 'queen mother' to create her as a diploid queen already. And/or a lone-drone (haploid, male) might eventually be able to perform a partial-meiosis not just of its usual haploid sperm but of a rare doubled-up diploid egg (without the homogametic element necessary at all, unlike the XY or ZW systems) that effectively gives the stranded male 'insect' its necessary female as opposed to the stranded female dragon its necessary male.

(The fact that the xenomorph lifecycle requires stages of obligate parasitism is the main limit to its reproduction, assuming that it has both a sexual and asexual reproductive possibilities so easily available that it almost doesn't matter how isolated any individual of its species might be. And possibly for how improbably long it might be.)

There are other real-world (earthly) variations upon the theme to consider, through unguided evolutionz in which every system has found itself to be at least vaguely effective for the circumstances, or else it would not be around to be observed. Nor has any system been so ruthlessly efficient (or over-productive) as to dominate the ecosphere (though counting by mass or numbers, you could suggest that some variations are 'dominant', including boring old asexual budding from countless micro-organisms. But then none of the 'earthly' species were actually designed from the very baseline of their molecular biology,[citation needed] whereas it is now established that the Alien lifeform was created by (over-reaching?) progenitors with expertise at least as great as their hubris and/or self-destructive nihilism.

(The established canon/fanon in the '80s, with just the first one or two big-screen productions and some comic-book releases that may or may not have been official,  was that the Aliens were just one species of many that evolved an ecological niche upon a particularly nasty planet within a system of various other species at least as deadly and dominant as themselves. Then some spacefaring race (the 'Navigator' one) failed their biosecurity procedures and managed to establish a lineage of hitch-hiking Aliens that had none of their traditional (and natural) competitors around to keep them in check. Or maybe (as per later cross-over) it was a 'deliberate' relocation attempt by the sport-hunters that were the Predator race, that may or may not have gotten out of hand. Not entirely sure that either of these theories aren't at least partially compatible with the new continuity established well after Alien³, what with reboots and re-envisioned back-stories where the Navigator is not quite as an unwitting innocent as originally assumed. And is AvP even considered canon any more?)


As with Jurrasic Park, one can very easily treat the moral as "life finds a way". (Depending upon your perspective, you could say this for either side of the Human/Alien conflict!) There are actually a number of shared tropes between the two franchises (though I know who I'd bet on, in any crossover story). That's whether you go with the presumed Deathworld Origin of the early Alien films, the reckless reseeding of the AvP-era shared universe or the Promethean revelation (though, with its messianic message regarding even the seeding of life on Earth, we humans are at least as much a creation of the progenitors as the alien xenomorphs).
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« Reply #1437 on: August 19, 2024, 07:13:56 am »

(though I know who I'd bet on, in any crossover story).
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« Reply #1438 on: August 19, 2024, 01:37:04 pm »

I've always been bothered by the introduction of the queen/hive structure. The way the eggs were made in the original was the best: creepiest, and most logically consistent (or, to quote Ash: 'I admire its purity'). The bombastic, overwhelming rule of cool in Aliens was enough to give it a pass then, but it already started to stretch the credulity of how the aliens manage to keep going as a species - as well as sapping the danger they posed. It only kept getting worse with each new instalment and each new addition to the lore of the alien biology.
By now I expect it all to not make any damn sense. It's practically impossible for any screenwriter not trip over the venerable scaffolding of ducttaped bullshit the preceding films have constructed.

Sticking to the first iteration of the alien life cycle would solve most logic problems with how a new infestation starts from a single individual/egg, is what I'm saying.

You're not wrong.  The eggmorphing thing is admittedly creepier than a queen, and well, frankly more alien.  I always preferred the queen because of how cool it was in Aliens though.

And yes, the canon is a total disaster now.

Anyway, maybe eggmorphing was supposed to be the implied way that the outbreak happened in Romulus.
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« Reply #1439 on: August 29, 2024, 02:55:19 am »

Okay dokey, I am having trouble remembering the name of a film I saw many years ago, maybe you guys can help me figure it out from the bare details I remember.

Pretty sure it was released in the late 90s or early 00s, I think it was a black comedy type film (if not, a thriller) in which two illegals immigrants from Eastern Europe come to America and go on a killing spree, and I think they also record what they’re doing. I think they are hailed as heroes or doing a public service in the media? I may be making that part up.

I do recall one of the final scenes is them getting caught and going out in a blaze of glory in a shoot out with the police, at the end of which one of them, dying, explains why they did it, and then pretends to die and freaks out the cop when he asks if the “death” looked cool before dying for realsies.
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