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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 971261 times)

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #240 on: March 15, 2015, 05:36:22 pm »

An infantry-focused game a la star wars battlefront would be my top pick.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #241 on: March 15, 2015, 06:02:42 pm »

I remember Fire Warrior. That was a 40k FPS. It wasn't bad, it was just... eh.

I remember it being pretty bad. It definitely felt dated for a 2003 FPS, but I guess on the PS2 there wasn't a very high bar for that. Still, as a fan of 40k I didn't play more than a few levels and I remember being pretty disgusted with the quality of those. That you were playing the Tau didn't help in the slightest, they are literally the last race in 40k I have an interest in playing. All in all, it felt like a generic FPS with a 40k skin. "Storm of Vengeance" for its day.

Anyways, right now, for better or worse, Eternal Crusade is looking like 40k's next Great White Hope.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #242 on: March 15, 2015, 06:48:16 pm »

You guys don't give SEGA enough credit. Looks at the "Souls" series (aka From Software), look at the creative assembly (well old creative assembly... new creative assembly is very disappointing), Relic, etc.

There are all companies who specialize in grimdark, deep content, and oftentimes the experimental, so if 40k falls entirely in to SEGA's hands I would be ecstatic. Ecstatic! As long as they gave it to once of their subsidiaries that is. I still think they'd make better use of it than GWS. Even better, sell it to Bay12, we'll have 40K as the biggest, meanest, and sooperdooperfunnest game out there with enough profit to turn these forums in to our own private kingdom, aha hahaha HAHAHAHA!!!! mhmpf, anyways, yes Eternal Crusade is also promising. Although, it does not seem grim or dark enough to me. Just seems like poorly reskinned PS2 atm.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #243 on: March 15, 2015, 08:34:07 pm »

To the same token, I'm not sure I'd want to see 40k turned into CoD either....unless that 40k CoD was something amazing to behold, from story to shooting.
An infantry-focused game a la star wars battlefront would be my top pick.
There was plans for a while to make a 40K Planetside themed game.
Also the Creative Assembly is making a WFB game. It could quite possibly be the best thing since Third Age Total war, if done right.

That being said, I think FantasyRealms or something have said that they would buy 40K if the stock got much cheaper.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #244 on: March 15, 2015, 09:34:39 pm »

There was plans for a while to make a 40K Planetside themed game.

I didn't follow this too closely, but weren't the plans for this suppose to be pretty much Pay to Win: The Video Game?
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #245 on: March 15, 2015, 09:38:19 pm »

I don't remember clearly, but there were plans for a mmo i think where the free-to-players were ork boys, and other factions were behind paywalls.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #246 on: March 15, 2015, 09:41:11 pm »

That's Eternal Crusade.

The MMO that was in works was call Dark Millennium Online. As I understand it, it was something along the lines of a SWG-lite and WoW mix in terms of gameplay.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #247 on: March 15, 2015, 10:06:52 pm »

Dark Millennium is long since dead. It was supposed to get resurrected as a SP game but I imagine by now whoever it landed with has probably gone under.
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« Reply #248 on: March 15, 2015, 10:18:05 pm »

Dark Millennium is long since dead. It was supposed to get resurrected as a SP game but I imagine by now whoever it landed with has probably gone under.

Ya, I think they're dead and gone.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #249 on: March 18, 2015, 09:58:02 am »

I just wish Black Library won't go down in flames if GW falls. The books are pretty niche and I can't imagine it'd survive without the parent company's support. At least here those books are generally not sold outside Games Workshops and specialist stores.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #250 on: March 18, 2015, 10:02:18 am »

I just wish Black Library won't go down in flames if GW falls. The books are pretty niche and I can't imagine it'd survive without the parent company's support. At least here those books are generally not sold outside Games Workshops and specialist stores.

Here being where? In the US I buy my Black Library offerings primarily from Barnes & Nobles. GWS has a respectable amount of space in their Sci-Fi & Fantasy section. I've also found them at other American book sellers.

But I think BL will be around for a while. I think it's a way more cost effective division of the business compared to the model and hobby side.
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« Reply #251 on: March 18, 2015, 10:29:58 am »

They shut down all their side projects like Mordheim, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, basically anything that wasn't 40K or Fantasy. These were games people played to stay in the GWS world, and spend some money, without buying into $400 worth of shit.

Ah the games where you spent a little money buying a few figures each week and that was it.
people buying a few figures would never make them as much money as the suit wanted, so the idea of haveing a simple and cheap game to get in new players went away.
They're part of the old guard, and they've always been kind of cutthroat when it comes to the actual business of the franchise.

And that has a lot to do with how intractable they are too. I think the distance between the people that created GWS and the people that now run it is growing too. GWS has always sort of felt coldly corporate and I think it's just gotten worse as more old timers get out of the scene. They sought equally aggressive business people to hand the company off to, who don't have the attachment to their creation or the fan base that sustains it. So perhaps the people who control the fate of the company are just planning to squeeze it until they're only doing two things: mail-ordering figs to deplete their stock and licensing the IP out for video games and books. (I think the Black Library will probably continue to have legs long after the TT business falls apart completely.) At which point stockholders will bail and someone will buy the rights to it, and 40k will just be another Battletech/Mechwarrior/Shadowrun/White Wolf/All the games and IPs from the 80s and 90s I loved, which will occasionally resurface from time to time when someone is willing to throw enough money at whoever holds the IP so the it can be "reborn" for a shitty game or two.

There's your grim dark analysis.
Once apron a time GW sold figures and games to cover there bills and pay wages.
but we can definitely place down when changes happened.

But I think BL will be around for a while. I think it's a way more cost effective division of the business compared to the model and hobby side.

as long as BL keep it's trademark then it will probably stay open, Ebooks are cheap to make and fans like to see there work in "print".
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #252 on: March 18, 2015, 02:23:32 pm »

BL currently seems way more vested in the physical print side. Shevles in physical stores be overflowing with books from the Horus Heresy series. Their presence on the e-book side seems to be much weaker. I assume all titles become available as e-books once they've been on the shelves long enough, so BL protects its bottomline. But every time I go to buy e-books for 40k novels, I never find the core novels, it's always audio dramas and side-stories to the actual full novels. I assume that's because BL Publishing is as wary of buying into Amazon's ecosystem wholesale like every other publisher. (The largest offering for 40k e-books seems to be a site run by BL, you'll turn up much less on Amazon.)
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #253 on: March 18, 2015, 02:25:21 pm »

Because GW is anal about selling books for the same price on and off-line - the online codexes are the same price as the print, which is terrible, since they don't even have production and shipping costs. Basically, GW cannot into business and are slowly curling up and dying as a result.
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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion: checking dates is for squares edition.
« Reply #254 on: March 18, 2015, 02:32:56 pm »

On the other hand though, it took me all of half a minute to find a complete .pdf of the codices for all of the armies I could think of. I have thousands of free prints at the University library I'm not going to be using as well. Hmm...
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