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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1210785 times)

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6585 on: November 18, 2015, 06:33:34 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6586 on: November 18, 2015, 06:41:05 am »

Wrong. Flat out wrong.

There WERE rules against it. She did it anyway.

The article states that State Department sensitive business isn't supposed to be handled over emails.  But I was stuck in a lobby for two hours watching the Bengazi hearings and I recall the republicans going on and on and on about how Clinton didn't have any emails to ambassadors at all in her emails.  And Clinton kept repeating that she used diplomatic cables to talk to ambassadors during the debate.



As we can see this is the most damning, important case of corruption all the way to the top since the Vince Foster case.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6587 on: November 18, 2015, 06:52:58 am »

Which would be a nice rebuttle, if it were true.

Sadly, it is not.

(apologies for the biased nature of the source.)
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6588 on: November 18, 2015, 07:16:35 am »

Which would be a nice rebuttle, if it were true.

Sadly, it is not.

(apologies for the biased nature of the source.)

I'm not seeing evidence, I'm seeing hearsay from a blatantly biased source.

"No seriously, I swear that I saw emails that proved that she violated the rule!" "Investigators totally found some as well!"

A Fox anchor and his guest claiming something to be so does not make it so, especially when the person they're targeting happens to be their opposition's main presidential candidate.  ::)
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6589 on: November 18, 2015, 07:19:41 am »

again, apologies. I was at work, and did not have time to properly find a truly reliable/reputable source. I can fix that now. A few mins, ok?
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6590 on: November 18, 2015, 07:30:15 am »

Why do people feel in a rush to post? The threads not going anywhere.

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6591 on: November 18, 2015, 07:31:13 am »

Yeah, I mean, if you post a couple hours later with an actual source, that's a lot better than posting right now with an empty soundbite.  :P
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6593 on: November 18, 2015, 07:50:15 am »

Well, the guy in the ambassador thing says "thanks for making the calls" implying she'd used phone conversations to negotiate, not email. And I kinds doubt that sort of thing is national security critical information. If the country involved, Brazil found out there was some behind the scenes politics involved in selecting the US ambassador to Brazil, I can't see one reason they'd give the first fuck about it.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6594 on: November 18, 2015, 07:52:24 am »

Communication through a 3rd party via email, is still communication via email.

I am going to dig through the FOIA collection. Be back in a bit.
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« Reply #6595 on: November 18, 2015, 08:26:35 am »

Interesting OpEd article.

I think there should be more than one presidential advisor position that is a historian, but then again, presidents will probably just fill the position(s) with those that have views in line with their own.

I'm definitely a big fan of learning and understanding history, but the old cliché about learning or repeating history isn't an especially great one. When it comes to to looking at history's lens to figure out future decisions, it's commonly a matter of finding an answer, then building evidence when you're done (like it's literary criticism or something).
Getting into a long, bloody, slogging war to defend a reasonably corrupt southeastern Asian country from the communists is either a great idea or a terrible idea, depending if you're talking about Korea or Vietnam.

Historic analysis allows one to come up with all kinds of ridiculous conclusions, like America is only successful when its military leadership is made up of officers with well known personal defects.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6596 on: November 18, 2015, 08:29:14 am »

I am starting this now, at 7:13AM CST---

First runner-up, is a communication requesting a change in clearance for a statement from H Clinton concerning detained american citizens in Iran. While it had several permissive clearances, it was not at the time of the email, fully declassified.

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

Next up, concerning a situation with N. Korea, details of a phone conversation are discussed in an email with H Clinton, which may be considered sensitive.

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

Next up, An aide emails H Clinton concerning an upcoming surprise visitation by a foreign diplomat, with a date, and a (redacted) list of other officials that will be in attendance. (This is dangerous, as if it were intercepted by say-- terrorists, would provide grounds for a possible assassination attempt, et.)

Spoiler: message body (click to show/hide)

In that same vein, aids seeking advisement on a secretary's desire to go shopping while on diplomatic duties in Haiti.
Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

This one is particularly interesting, because basically the whole message body is redacted.
Spoiler: message body (click to show/hide)

Similar with this one...

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

So, at least two emails have contained classified information so far, and I am only on page 6 out of 800 something.

Should I continue digging?
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6597 on: November 18, 2015, 08:32:13 am »

Getting into a long, bloody, slogging war to defend a reasonably corrupt southeastern Asian country from the communists is either a great idea or a terrible idea, depending if you're talking about Korea or Vietnam.

Historic analysis allows one to come up with all kinds of ridiculous conclusions, like America is only successful when its military leadership is made up of officers with well known personal defects.
Eh, Korea isn't exactly South-East Asia :P

But yeah, cherrypicking is pretty much unavoidable when looking at historical precedent: It all comes down to the judgement whether the current situation is reasonably close to a given historical one. Also, obligatory xkcd.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6598 on: November 18, 2015, 08:38:26 am »

So, at least two emails have contained classified information so far, and I am only on page 6 out of 800 something.

Should I continue digging?
B-but she didn't do anything wrong, I heard that on MSNBC :^)
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #6599 on: November 18, 2015, 08:54:03 am »

I am starting this now, at 7:13AM CST---

First runner-up, is a communication requesting a change in clearance for a statement from H Clinton concerning detained american citizens in Iran. While it had several permissive clearances, it was not at the time of the email, fully declassified.

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

Next up, concerning a situation with N. Korea, details of a phone conversation are discussed in an email with H Clinton, which may be considered sensitive.

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

Next up, An aide emails H Clinton concerning an upcoming surprise visitation by a foreign diplomat, with a date, and a (redacted) list of other officials that will be in attendance. (This is dangerous, as if it were intercepted by say-- terrorists, would provide grounds for a possible assassination attempt, et.)

Spoiler: message body (click to show/hide)

In that same vein, aids seeking advisement on a secretary's desire to go shopping while on diplomatic duties in Haiti.
Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

This one is particularly interesting, because basically the whole message body is redacted.
Spoiler: message body (click to show/hide)

Similar with this one...

Spoiler: Message body (click to show/hide)

So, at least two emails have contained classified information so far, and I am only on page 6 out of 800 something.

Should I continue digging?

So, let's summarize:
1. A technicality, regarding a paragraph without sensitive information.
2. "May be considered sensitive" my arse. Same as before, literally "We are asking them to release the prisoners," which even a braindead chimp could guess was happening.
3. TIL "first week in May" is a date. This is the closest you've come, but it's minor at best.
4. "We should not take the trip on April 19th." Oh, good, so the terrorists can narrow it down to a mere eight and a half months in the year!  ::)
5., 6. "Literally nothing is unclassified here, it must be something good!"

By all means, if you wish to continue making mountains, call back your moles and get to work. This scandal won't manufacture itself, after all.

Interesting OpEd article.

I think there should be more than one presidential advisor position that is a historian, but then again, presidents will probably just fill the position(s) with those that have views in line with their own.

I'm definitely a big fan of learning and understanding history, but the old cliché about learning or repeating history isn't an especially great one. When it comes to to looking at history's lens to figure out future decisions, it's commonly a matter of finding an answer, then building evidence when you're done (like it's literary criticism or something).
Getting into a long, bloody, slogging war to defend a reasonably corrupt southeastern Asian country from the communists is either a great idea or a terrible idea, depending if you're talking about Korea or Vietnam.

Historic analysis allows one to come up with all kinds of ridiculous conclusions, like America is only successful when its military leadership is made up of officers with well known personal defects.

Maybe if the person doing the analysis is a complete incompetent who doesn't understand causation. To be fair, there a lot of idiots exactly like that in the world. *shrugs*
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