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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Bohandas]

... except it wouldn't be help, t'me. The christian afterlife is damnation regardless of which direction you go, from my perspective. Infinite torture or infinite slavery with a side of grotesque personality reconstruction -- both sound pretty horrible.

Relevent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQoVkd_JcB0#t=07m54s

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

"Oh man, we're definitely gonna die this time"
"But at least if we die we don't gotta go to church"
"Yeah, but if we go to heaven, that's kinda like going to church forever"
"Damnit! I hope we go to Hell"

[Vilanat]

... except it wouldn't be help, t'me. The christian afterlife is damnation regardless of which direction you go, from my perspective. Infinite torture or infinite slavery with a side of grotesque personality reconstruction -- both sound pretty horrible. I personally want nothing to do with any aspect of an abrahamic afterlife, short of maybe the bit where people are just annihilated.

'Course, the heaven generally isn't framed that way, but that's why it's fridge horror instead of just straight up

Bleh. I should have remembered there's a reason I generally don't like thinking too hard about religious afterlife scenarios...

Its not accurate calling it Abrahamic afterlife, because in early judaism/Torah, there is no afterlife at all, aside from referring to the memories the righteous leave after them. it is estimated that the believe in an afterlife crept into Judaism from the persian religion of Zoroastrianism or perhaps even later on from Christianity or gnosticism.

[Frumple]

"One of the" instead of "an" would have perhaps been better wording -- the statement was meant to be inclusive of judaism, christianity, and islam (and the smaller related junk, of course). "None" falls under annihilation, heh.

[Descan]

And if we die and Thor looks at you like a pansy, Cry, then you'll wish you converted to the Norse faith in your life and gone a'raiding properly, to die in combat like a true warrior!

[Helgoland]

What if I die in combat while bringing Christianity to the Norse heathens?

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

What if I die in combat anyways?

[Descan]

Okay I want to make a joke here but nothing is working. ;___;

My point was that, because no religion has any proof to it, then there's no reason to believe in Christ over belief in Thor or Islam or the teachings of the Buddha re: Nirvana, so you could just as easily end up burning in Hades or frozen in Hel than partying with Jesus.

And a lot of those religions also have the whole "faith is a virtue" so that's out too. Can't really say "Well I have faith!" as if that's an argument (you can say it as your own personal reason but that's different than using it as an argument) because they can say the same thing and it'd be equally meritorious.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I know that.
I'm fine with my choice, if I'm wrong well darn. But ya I'm entirly ok with my choice in faith, wrong or right. It's morals aren't bad and it's a nice community if you choose right and don't go straight to the only ones people think of because they've given us a bad name

[Arx]

My point was that, because no religion has any proof to it

But some have a lot more proof against them than others. Thunder could theoretically be caused by Thor going and personally causing static buildup, but it's unlikely. It's a lot less likely than, say, that if you believe in Jesus you have eternal life, which is unprovable and undisprovable because we can't communicate with the biologically dead.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Teneb]

If Norse gods were still worshiped today

Not contesting your argument, but they are still worshiped.

[origamiscienceguy]

I mean, there's a lot of proof against the literal word of the Bible. If Norse gods were still worshiped today, Thor-thunderers would be like the people who think Noah's flood actually happened.

Christians have backed away from most things proof has built up against, so those disprovable claims must not be the important part of a religion.

I believe that the flood was a historical event. It makes a sub-10,000 year earth possible and varying accounts of a large-scale flood have been found in several religions (the tale of giglamesh comes to mind) so I think that it certainly happened.

[Arx]

giglamesh

It spreads...

[penguinofhonor]

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