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[Strongpoint]

I dunno, let's imagine that Trump wins next election with popular support somehow and makes himself presidente for life, invades mexico as rightful USian clay. And then loses.

Our hypothetical presidente deals with this situation by saying he never claimed that mexico is rightful USian clay, and furthermore we were only defeated by a cabal of sinister european woke globalist deep staters so please donate now to save america.
Does our hypothetical now majority trumpist american people dethrone him for this? I think not, their ideology is Trump. Blatant logical contradiction isn't enough to knock down that sort of leader.

If you could read Russian political forums (or Russian segments of any social network) you wouldn't be saying this.

Putin is already HATED by radicals for not being able to win this war in a quick and decisive way.

[anewaname]

Were those same radicals expressing hate for Putin before the first disasters of the war? I would expect they cooperated with Putin, angry about his dominance over them but fearful of his power, but now he looks weaker so they are barking and showing their teeth.

[EuchreJack]

I really don't think anyone would start a nuclear war to stay in power. It would defeat the purpose, see?

Ah, but Putin isn't facing a nuclear war. The West has made clear that they're 100% NOT GOING to start a Nuclear War over Putin nuking Ukraine.
Thus, Putin has the green light to Nuke Ukraine.

The West has once again sold out.

Ironically, the United States actually saves the world, since we're basically a bipolar country that changes its mind every few years.
So Putin has to be worried that President Biden will try to mobilize Republican Warhawks from their slumber with promises of nuclear retaliation upon Putin.

[Lord Shonus]

I really don't think anyone would start a nuclear war to stay in power. It would defeat the purpose, see?

Ah, but Putin isn't facing a nuclear war. The West has made clear that they're 100% NOT GOING to start a Nuclear War over Putin nuking Ukraine.
Thus, Putin has the green light to Nuke Ukraine.

No, the West has not. Both the US and Britain have kept any discussion of what their response would be extremely vague, and have repeatedly declined to rule out a nuclear response.

[Starver]

(...ponders, idly, whether Boris Johnson's "Letter Of Last Resort" has yet been properly replaced by Truss's, where it counts... And, indeed if Truss's will get there before possibly Hunt/Rees-Mogg/A.N. Other gets to write theirs. I imagine that this additional uncertainty (above the already tantalising "WWBD?"/”WWLD?” ...and the rest) surely is factored into what levels of escalation anyone would dare to commit to.)

[EuchreJack]

Honestly, I think Truss would GLADLY go to war with Russia, if only to get the attention off of her. So Russia better not do anything to give Truss an excuse. I suspect Putin understands that basic fact...

[Loud Whispers]

Honestly, I think Truss would GLADLY go to war with Russia, if only to get the attention off of her. So Russia better not do anything to give Truss an excuse. I suspect Putin understands that basic fact...

Truss was already turbo anti-Russia jingo when she was foreign secretary in the Bojo Prime Ministerialship. Her anti-Putin conviction hasn't wavered a bit, and she still blames every ill in her cursed adminstration on Putin. The only reason she wouldn't commit to any Russian op is if her backbenchers threatened to unseat her because her government is pretty weak atm

[Strongpoint]

So, today a fighter jet smashed into a residential building in Russia. And Russians are like "Why those Ukrainians are gloating in the comments? It is a tragedy! Those are innocent people. Ukrainians are monsters"

Yeah, really, why... Russians are so unable to put themselves in someone's else shoes...

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As for me, I felt no emotions apart from the sad news that the pilot ejected in time (BTW, decent human beings, when having a malfunction above a residential area, will try to divert their aircraft before saving their own skin... But we are talking about a Russian pilot here).

Empathy is a limited resource after all.

[EuchreJack]

I guess after bombing your fifth residential district, you sorta stop carrying about saving a residential district over your own skin, even if the nationality may have changed.

[Starver]

Apparently it was a training flight, which both pilots (presumably at least one being considered experienced enough to train) ejected after an engine caught fire on take-off. Which means nearly full fuel tanks (though no ordinance, presumably, if that wasn't part of the training) and it was either a bird-strike or a very rapid mechanical failure (both of which you'd expect ground teams to mitigate through various procedures).

But hard to tell how accurate those details are. They sound damning enough, but could even then be a coverup for even worse digressions from basic airworthiness and flight safety that caused (by current reports) three civilian deaths.

[Strongpoint]

Apparently it was a training flight

Correction: Russian ministry of defense said it was a training flight.

I find it very dubious. Russia is big enough to train its pilots somewhere NOT near an active combat zone

[EuchreJack]

Apparently it was a training flight

Correction: Russian ministry of defense said it was a training flight.

I find it very dubious. Russia is big enough to train its pilots somewhere NOT near an active combat zone

Ah, but Russia is big on "training by doing", so it was probably a combat mission.

[Starver]

Apparently [...]

But hard to tell how accurate those details are.

[Lord Shonus]

Apparently it was a training flight, which both pilots (presumably at least one being considered experienced enough to train) ejected after an engine caught fire on take-off. Which means nearly full fuel tanks (though no ordinance, presumably, if that wasn't part of the training) and it was either a bird-strike or a very rapid mechanical failure (both of which you'd expect ground teams to mitigate through various procedures).

But hard to tell how accurate those details are. They sound damning enough, but could even then be a coverup for even worse digressions from basic airworthiness and flight safety that caused (by current reports) three civilian deaths.

The video of the crash shows secondary detonations that appear to be munitions.

[hector13]

Apparently it was a training flight, which both pilots (presumably at least one being considered experienced enough to train) ejected after an engine caught fire on take-off. Which means nearly full fuel tanks (though no ordinance, presumably, if that wasn't part of the training) and it was either a bird-strike or a very rapid mechanical failure (both of which you'd expect ground teams to mitigate through various procedures).

But hard to tell how accurate those details are. They sound damning enough, but could even then be a coverup for even worse digressions from basic airworthiness and flight safety that caused (by current reports) three civilian deaths.

The video of the crash shows secondary detonations that appear to be munitions.

That was clearly from the Ukrainian terrorists that used the apartment block as a base of operations.