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[Grim Portent]

Welllll, that's demonstrably false.

But they do get a buzz off relationships with extranatural beings, that is true. In that way the rainbow is God's.... wedding ring?

More analogous to an abusive spouse giving their partner gifts after they get out of the hospital imo.

'I'm sorry I killed 99.99% of you, I promise not to do it again.' Except for the part about being sorry of course.

[MaxTheFox]

I remember our government forced someone to remove a... I think it was a blanket? With 4 colors, from his window. Because apparently it looked too much like a pride flag.

[Starver]

Like the self-styled 'Vampyr' of the deMagpie clan on Discworld, they have sought to catalogue and understand all the symbology that they feel that will do them harm in their efforts to break away from all the old traditions...


But that just ends up meaning that they see passable immitations everywhere!

[bloop_bleep]

The rainbow flag adoption was a god-tier move in retrospect. It's symbolic, original, and commonplace.

[Loud Whispers]

The rainbow flag adoption was a god-tier move in retrospect. It's symbolic, original, and commonplace.

Haha god tier is apt

It also has the side effect of creating magical barriers to police horses

[Great Order]

The UK's NHS is in a crisis, with strikes, crumbling infrastructure, insufficient funding, insufficient training, excessive wait times...

So what's the Tory government to do about it?

They're gonna segregate trans people into their own rooms, of course!

[scriver]

Are we talking toilets or in general. Have the toilet "issue" infected britain as well?

[Starver]

Wards. Currently, as I understand it[1], multi-occupancy[2] wards accept affirmed trans-individuals into their own prefered sex-seperated areas[3]. The thing above is about them always getting private rooms, with no regard for necessity, feelings, acceptance or other practicalities. There may indeed be times when a 'general ward' is not suitable for certain people who claim they need to 'cross the corridor', but this seems to very much be an actual dog-whistle thing that I hope gets nowhere (on general principle against dog-whistling).

(Like that other thing, elsewhere, saying that 'being a woman or gay isn't reason to be given assylum', when in some circumstances it probably very much is, in others it may only be a factor to be added into the equation. But the message clearly intended to indicate slamming the door closed, on behalf of those who would be happy just to brick all the doorways up and be done with it.)

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[1] Actual UK medics, of this parish, can perhaps confirm the full stipulations.

[2] Can't speak of all hospitals, but my 'local' has the general template (in the high-rise mass-occupancy block) number of four--or-six-bed 'group'-wards and various single rooms arrayed around the outside of 'corridor loops', with the nursing stations/other facilities in the centre (all toilets are single-occupancy, give or take anyone assisting, but may be assigned as Staff/Patient/Visitor as much as Male/Female/Unisex). At least half of all those in a bed can normally see direct natural light[4]. Each floor has a set of loops either side of the lift/stairs access. Depending upon the relative number of patients that need a specific department (by speciality, or grouping of similar-enough care-needs) they may be assigned as Male Wardtype to left, Female Wardtype to right or one/other half-flood ward subdivides its loops as an internal gender-split, using corridor-doors as trivial/non-trivial barriers accordingly. I've visited various wards there, as a visitor, mostly, and the separation has generally been no more strict than already required to allow legitimate visitors (all genders) the ability to walk into/through sections as necessary. - i.e. I'd never have good reason to just wander into Maternity; but then there should be no particular issue (beyond biosecurity, personal medical safety and possible antisocial behaviour from/upon other current residents) about letting anyone justified in having a bed in Maternity from walking around. All part of the logistical preparation and juggling, though.

[3] There was a fuss recently about some hospitals still being unable to guarantee sex-segregate even within rooms (plain M/F, nothing to do with Trans) due to sheer logistical issues, i.e. where the spare beds pop up when there's a desperate need for them. Shuffling people around might not always be possible. Say 6 men in one room, 6 women in another and 1 other person (e.g. a man) given the single room becomes 5+6+1 due to a grouped-man being discharged and then you need to add a woman. Is the sole man movable, or clinically needing the room to himself? And if it was a sole woman? You definitely need to look further afield for other single-roomed men who can stand moving (who haven't just been shuffled into there, hopefully). Obviously, the more options of room-groups available, there's probably a reshuffle available, but the bed-moving required could so easily on the scale of the 2012 Olympics (possibly) without the Voldemort!

[4] The first pair of beds either side of the group-door might have curtains up for them/their neighbour, when necessary. And middle-beds are subject to their own privacy curtains and their windowed-neighbours' curtains. But they still get a possible glimpse diagonally across when not self-curtained. Unless door-adjacent and the other side's window-bed is curtained... or it's night!

[Caz]

When have wards in the UK ever been sex-separated? 

[Starver]

Might not have used the right term? I mean multi-bed dormitory(/recuperation)-room. And not whole specialist units/departments, if that's what you're thinking.

There certainly is an expectation of these not being mixed-gender (before complicating that in working with trans-gender needs, etc), though apparently not being guaranteed.

(And I don't think I've seen one (other than A&E, which is technically singular cubicles so long as it doesn't overflow into corridors) which hasn't arranged for a male/female split in different areas. Whether that be orthopedics, dementia or wherever else a spare bed has been obtained for the one who requires it. Even as a child (the longest stay in hospital that I ever had, and probably the largest 'open plan' occupancy I've experienced), it was one room (out of several) only of boys, and I must assume that there were girls' rooms elsewhere, with whom I can't remember mixing even in any additional common social area.)


News article on what is being talked about (which says 'wards', so...)

[martinuzz]

The rainbow flag adoption was a god-tier move in retrospect. It's symbolic, original, and commonplace.

Haha god tier is apt

It also has the side effect of creating magical barriers to police horses

Jesus! Those horses are bloody colour nazis!

[Maximum Spin]

I mean multi-bed dormitory(/recuperation)-room.

I can say from experience that those are definitely not sex-segregated here in my part of America, so it would be surprising to me if they bothered to do it in the UK. Are you sure this is commonplace?

[Grim Portent]

They are in my experience.

Hospital wards here generally have a number of 4 person dormitories branching off a hallway. I have never seen one that puts mixed genders in the same dormitory.

[Starver]

News about this from 2010. And, as above, this seems to have been an ideal for as long as I've been in a position to experience it at the sharp end. (And I think that the various Carry On [Nurse/Doctor]s depicted separate wards (with suitably comedic interactions across the divides, as well as the sex-politics of the stereotypical male-doctor/female-nurse dichotomy), plus something like Only When I Laugh taking it as read, too.)

The fuss 'over here' looks to me as having been not able to make it inviolably absolute (i.e. necessity putting an occasional spanner in the works, hospital facilities not being funded enough to be the ideal buffet[1]), thus having occasional breaches while shuffling is organised. And every few years there seems to be 'questions' about why it isn't 100% (at least for England/Wales, I think Scotland's ok and dunno currently about NI).


Which is the basis for whether there is or isn't a problem with/for trans individuals. If it was all omnisex wards then it'd be barely an issue, in comparison. Being separate, it therefor concerns people a lot more (both ways, according to opinion and (perceived) scenario).


[1] "If there's not too much, there isn't enough". By funding (perhaps) to cover the average resource needs over time there's always going to be blips that exceed that, which then adds backlog over the 'average times' and even eat into the dips in demand, and probably ends up costing more in the long run by not having sometimes conspicuously copious unused capacity. But very little effort has been put into sufficiently adding capacity. If, indeed, recent governments have even fulfilled the theoretical average...

[Loud Whispers]

The UK's NHS is in a crisis, with strikes, crumbling infrastructure, insufficient funding, insufficient training, excessive wait times...

So what's the Tory government to do about it?

They're gonna segregate trans people into their own rooms, of course!

I thought the punchline was going to be "privatise it"

Jesus! Those horses are bloody colour nazis!

They're hardcore Stuart restoration monarchists