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Socialist

16 (32%)

Green

8 (16%)

Peace and Freedom

2 (4%)

Democratic

1 (2%)

Transhumanist

11 (22%)

Libertarian

8 (16%)

Republican

2 (4%)

Constitution

2 (4%)

Total Members Voted: 49

[MetalSlimeHunt]

If you call changing words to be what you want them to be "self-identifies". Hitler was public about his desire for war in Mein Kampf, and he claimed that his "socialism" meant Make Germany Great Again, more or less.

[thompson]

He did tone down his war rhetoric in the early 30’s (likely because WW1 was still fresh in the public memory). I’ve read many newspaper articles where he regularly advocated eternal peace. I think we can agree he was dishonest and manipulative.

The broader problem with politics is that people are very strongly influenced by social connections and their own self concept. A moderate conservative can easily be led astray by a dishonest demagogue masquerading as a conservative. The same is true for faux left wing demagogues too, of course.

All in all, I don’t think you can ever trust how a person describes their politics. What they choose to omit is often more important.

[Maximum Spin]

If you call changing words to be what you want them to be "self-identifies".

Isn't that exactly what that means?

[Doomblade187]

If you call changing words to be what you want them to be "self-identifies".

Isn't that exactly what that means?

Maybe, but that doesn't mean other people have to recognize them as such.

[thompson]

I think we’re all getting a little hypersensitive to potential “attacks”. I made a flippant comment about how apparent contradictions between a person’s political beliefs and actions can be resolved by realising the person can have a different understanding of those beliefs. However, because I am cynical and irreverent and never say what I mean directly, we have the current misunderstanding.

I “should” just do the sensible thing and change my ways, but I’m not sure I’ve got it in me...

[scriver]

If you call changing words to be what you want them to be "self-identifies".

Isn't that exactly what that means?

Maybe, but that doesn't mean other people have to recognize them as such.

Unfortunately people not recognising them as socialists is a problem faced by socialists across the spectra

There were socialist elements that were part of the Nazi movement, but Hitler had all their leaders and ideologues murdered or exiled during the Night of Long Knives along with many of his other rivals within the party.

[thompson]

If you call changing words to be what you want them to be "self-identifies".

Isn't that exactly what that means?

Maybe, but that doesn't mean other people have to recognize them as such.

Unfortunately people not recognising them as socialists is a problem faced by socialists across the spectra

The problem is that there are too many definitions of the word, while most people with no academic understanding of it jump to the de-facto “similar time other countries that self-identify as such” definition. I’ve made a point about trying to redefine the movement under a new term that eliminates these misunderstanding, but apparently semantic purity is more important.

[hector13]

did you just call me hitler sunshine

[wierd]

"Hitler Sunshine" sounds like a hilarious parody of Super Mario on a mobile platform... 

I am sure Nintendo would sue, but it still sounds hilarious.

[pisskop]

A really good satire could be made out of it.

You know what was really good?  JoeJoe Rabbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4McUzXfFI&ab_channel=SearchlightPictures

Very good stuff.

[scriver]

did you just call me hitler sunshine

You are my sunshine
My hitler sunshine

[martinuzz]

Bring out the watercannon, make a hitlerainbow

[Frumple]

94% Socialist
93% Green
92% Peace and Freedom
91% Democratic
90% Transhumanist
49% Libertarian
16% Republican
16% Constitution

Yeah, that... isn't a surprise, save maybe that it seems to be suggesting peace and freedom and transhumanist are actual political parties. If they are I hadn't noticed :V

I like how almost every forum member is a green socialist hipie. Until we boot up DF that is. There we rob the first elven caravan, proceed to burn the surface world with magma, and send any migrants we dislike to the atom smasher.

I mean, day before yesterday, in a game I've been playing recently I murdered hundreds of people trying to defend their home from an invading force, and hundreds more trying to rebel against a totalitarian criminal gang that seized the local government.

These are not things I'd do, recommend, encourage, or accept as reasonable in real life, under most any circumstances. A game is, in fact, a game, and not only is there nothing unusual or contradictory in holding beliefs and to behaviors at odds with those incentivized in games, I'd hope to every fucking hell imaginable most people would hold beliefs and to behaviors at odds with the omnicidally sociopathic horseshit games tend to reward

... that said, I think the actual worst I've ever done in DF was way back in the day I lined an entire map (except the road in) with serrated disk traps. Migrating animals kept getting their feet chopped off, which was pretty unkind. Never really got into the world flooding, caravan ransacking, migrant squishing stuff, though.

[MorleyDev]

In games you aren't dealing with thinking and feeling people but goals and resources to achieve them so what would be horrible behaviour if done IRL is gonna happen when you are in a context that actually aligns with the worldview of a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Dostoevsky]

Surely I'm not the only person who tries to be nice to wholly fake & virtual NPCs.

Despite there being a reputation of all DF players as heartless genociders I wouldn't be surprised if there were far more quiet fort-builders than atom-smashing megalomaniacs.