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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24660 on: October 27, 2018, 05:54:46 pm »

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This is part and parcel of the ammosexual worldview -- that our places of sanctuary, by virtue of being sanctuaries, should be heavily-defended bastions.

Schools, churches, synagogues...presumably not mosques, because if a mosque started having armed guards and paramilitaries those same people tut-tutting the synagogue for it's lack of protection would be losing their collective shit.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24661 on: October 27, 2018, 06:16:55 pm »

Jesus though, two right-wing terror attacks in the month leading up to Election day. Are we looking at a 15-point surge for the Republicans, or a 25-point surge for the Republicans?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24662 on: October 27, 2018, 06:20:04 pm »

Obviously the Republicans will be providing safety from gun attacks, so you should vote for them. /s
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24663 on: October 27, 2018, 06:36:37 pm »

I mean, they could effectively stop these attacks if they didn't encourage them. Truly, the best defence from terrorism a country can have.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24664 on: October 27, 2018, 07:33:06 pm »

Jesus though, two right-wing terror attacks in the month leading up to Election day. Are we looking at a 15-point surge for the Republicans, or a 25-point surge for the Republicans?
"SCOTUS rules 5-4 in favor of #TeamTrump today that votes gained without strict photo ID are invalidated, bringing dozens of 'defeated' Republican candidates into the winner's table. The Democratic Party has released a statement urging their supporters to committed calm and civility in these divided times. Up next, the New York Times takes a deep dive into the life and times of newly appointed Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Richard Spencer, and his plan to bring America into the 21st century."
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24665 on: October 27, 2018, 07:41:04 pm »

I mean, they could effectively stop these attacks if they didn't encourage them. Truly, the best defence from terrorism a country can have.
Nonsense, this is not the American way
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24666 on: October 27, 2018, 07:43:47 pm »

*Neoliberal Crime Squad intensifies*
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24667 on: October 27, 2018, 07:50:45 pm »

Ah yes, the humble synagogue. One should always expect to see devout and humble worshipers and a knowledgeable rabbi flanked by his hand-picked and heavily-armed paramilitary detail. Full body armor is encouraged, but not enforced.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24668 on: October 27, 2018, 08:56:47 pm »

Jesus though, two right-wing terror attacks in the month leading up to Election day. Are we looking at a 15-point surge for the Republicans, or a 25-point surge for the Republicans?
"SCOTUS rules 5-4 in favor of #TeamTrump today that votes gained without strict photo ID are invalidated, bringing dozens of 'defeated' Republican candidates into the winner's table. The Democratic Party has released a statement urging their supporters to committed calm and civility in these divided times. Up next, the New York Times takes a deep dive into the life and times of newly appointed Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Richard Spencer, and his plan to bring America into the 21st century."
I absolutely believe you're going to see Kris Kobach and Brian Kemp make that sort of argument if they lose, especially if it's a narrow loss. And buoyed by a few high-profile instances, you may see a wave of Republican candidates refuse to concede under a spurious "cloud of voter fraud". How that shakes out may determine if there's even a point to having a 2020 election.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #24669 on: October 27, 2018, 09:38:39 pm »

I think democracy is overrated. What we need is a strong willed dictator that tells people what to think

This is the line between hard power and soft power.

With hard power, the oligarch's media tells you what to think. With soft power, the oligarch's media tells you what to think about. In the modern version the media tells you what the acceptable arena of debate is, then they define the acceptable "sides" in that debate for you. Then they give you "freedom to make your own mind up", but the freedom is like saying "Which soda is right for you? Coke or Pepsi?"

Orwell's propaganda machine as described in 1984 is obsolete technology. Modern propaganda is in fact the successor to traditional propaganda. A single unified "what to think" platform that doesn't allow any debate is very brittle and allows opponents to develop their own alternative channels to discuss things which are out of state control, and thus can form a united front against the state. Alternatively, presenting every story as having a range of allowed opinions means you can control the topics of debate and ensure that the populace is too busy arguing with each other about the details to challenge the state itself in any coherent way.
In short, defining the Overton window is more useful than narrowing it to a single point.
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« Reply #24670 on: October 27, 2018, 11:13:29 pm »

Jesus though, two right-wing terror attacks in the month leading up to Election day. Are we looking at a 15-point surge for the Republicans, or a 25-point surge for the Republicans?
"SCOTUS rules 5-4 in favor of #TeamTrump today that votes gained without strict photo ID are invalidated, bringing dozens of 'defeated' Republican candidates into the winner's table. The Democratic Party has released a statement urging their supporters to committed calm and civility in these divided times. Up next, the New York Times takes a deep dive into the life and times of newly appointed Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Richard Spencer, and his plan to bring America into the 21st century."
I absolutely believe you're going to see Kris Kobach and Brian Kemp make that sort of argument if they lose, especially if it's a narrow loss. And buoyed by a few high-profile instances, you may see a wave of Republican candidates refuse to concede under a spurious "cloud of voter fraud". How that shakes out may determine if there's even a point to having a 2020 election.

Trump is the highest profile Republican there is and he's already made allegations of voter fraud.

Not sure how it'd determine whether there is even a point to having 2020 election since conceding is really only a formality and has no legal effect. Roy Moore never did concede, I think he still hasn't.
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« Reply #24671 on: October 27, 2018, 11:26:46 pm »

In short, defining the Overton window is more useful than narrowing it to a single point.

I wasn't familiar with that, however it seems the term only took off in 2010 according to google trends.

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« Reply #24673 on: October 27, 2018, 11:48:33 pm »

Jesus though, two right-wing terror attacks in the month leading up to Election day. Are we looking at a 15-point surge for the Republicans, or a 25-point surge for the Republicans?
"SCOTUS rules 5-4 in favor of #TeamTrump today that votes gained without strict photo ID are invalidated, bringing dozens of 'defeated' Republican candidates into the winner's table. The Democratic Party has released a statement urging their supporters to committed calm and civility in these divided times. Up next, the New York Times takes a deep dive into the life and times of newly appointed Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Richard Spencer, and his plan to bring America into the 21st century."
I absolutely believe you're going to see Kris Kobach and Brian Kemp make that sort of argument if they lose, especially if it's a narrow loss. And buoyed by a few high-profile instances, you may see a wave of Republican candidates refuse to concede under a spurious "cloud of voter fraud". How that shakes out may determine if there's even a point to having a 2020 election.

Trump is the highest profile Republican there is and he's already made allegations of voter fraud.

Not sure how it'd determine whether there is even a point to having 2020 election since conceding is really only a formality and has no legal effect. Roy Moore never did concede, I think he still hasn't.
Remember that Kobach and Kemp will be in the position of certifying the results of the election. If they refuse to certify the results of their own losses, it creates a snafu in seating the winner. I'm honestly not sure if the state legislatures and/or governor's could override them, and if they do, it creates enough of a state Constitutional crisis that Conservatives could scream that the election is being "stolen".

I honestly cringe at what November 7 may bring, and that's even with the expectation of the Dems winning control of the House and a majority of Governorships.
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« Reply #24674 on: October 28, 2018, 12:02:47 am »

I get your point, however, didn’t Kobach (which got autocorrected to Kodachrome, lol) already recuse himself though? Edit: Actually, that was the primaries, don’t know if he did for the general.

Problems with voter machines are already cropping up, https://www.axios.com/votes-texas-georgia-changed-polls-election-security-midterms-2018-a70ea590-5e97-409c-922b-d74792a49e1c.html, which is just going to make the allegations of voter fraud more complicated.
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