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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2011, 01:19:21 am »

I usually block all stockpiles and workshops off with doors. So I'd be rather unaffected by a sudden refuse pile undead assault.

I am just sad I don't have as many bones from rotting corpses lately.
Undead are building destroyers aren't they?

Right, but I don't see why Toady couldn't add a few bits to track a few extra things here and there.
Extra coding time, extra memory consumption. It's up to Toady to judge whether that kind of sadistic phenomenon is worth delaying the release and potentially introducing headache bugs. He's already trying to control how much he's shoving into this release.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2011, 01:46:06 am »

All your goblin bone bolts, suddenly rising up in vengeance...
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #77 on: May 13, 2011, 01:49:14 am »

All your goblin bone bolts, suddenly rising up in vengeance...

I wonder ... is it smart amunition or dumb amunition?

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« Reply #78 on: May 13, 2011, 02:14:18 am »

Wow, plopping a fortress down in an evil region is going to be mental.

It feels like every new version gets darker and darker - call me an elf if you want, but I hope 'light' 'magic' gets some love at some point. Maybe not Rainbow Bright / Carebear levels of love, but maybe random charms for armies combating the evil forces of darkness in good biomes or something...

Having said that, necromancy = awesome :)

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #79 on: May 13, 2011, 02:19:15 am »

What i fear is butchering in Evil regions. Skeletons coming alive in your refuse pile and paws scrathing the butcher to death. What would be cool would be a undead Skin or Pelt that chokes you to death.
Good point, I hadn't considered this.
If it's not just severed limbs, and each body part has a chance of raising, then this could be a problem when forgotten beasts get butchered. When you have a stack of 80 great scaly lizard bones, I suppose there's a decent chance at least one of them is going to rise from the dead at any given time.

... I wonder if having an evil biome on the map will raise dead anywhere in the fortress if your fortress straddles an evil and a non-evil biome? 

Theoretically, if zombies are raised by the power of an evil biome, then taking the corpse out of the evil biome should "kill its power supply".  Even if it doesn't kill the zombie outright, taking body parts outside of the biome should stop them from being raised again.
At frst: probably.
Later on, evil influence might even be like a contaminant that spreads like blood does, that priests will have to clean to prevent it affecting you where it is not wanted. or maybe placing special holy totems or whatever at strategic points to hold back evil. Maybe raising of dead will need a nightcreature capable of that nearby. Anything is possible in due time. :)

Toady, your recent dev-note had me confused a bit, You wrote that necromancers were building small towers and sending their smelly buddies to fortresses.

Are necromancers going to send their armies to all nearby sites?
(to harvest bodies)
or only to fortresses? If so, what is their common motivation to focus on dwarves so?

Also, will these small towers grow larger as the number of minions grows?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #80 on: May 13, 2011, 03:56:06 am »

I wonder how dynamic this system will be.

If the player in adventure mode/armies in the future dwarf mode slaughter a village, will a necromancer be able to harvest their bodies / create an undead city while in-play? or will the necromancer rise be restricted in a short worldgen that happens between one adventure/fortress and the next one?
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« Reply #81 on: May 13, 2011, 04:10:50 am »

Well in theory, properly supervised a Zomby is a restless worker who doesnt gets hungry, tired or demands a raise - well except from the dead. As such you can have them work 24/7 even under the harshest circumstances. This and theyr ability to ignore most injurys would mean that a team of Zomby-masons would be far more productive, althought a bit more clumsy and less creative then your average human, elf or dwarf.

If toady goes with that and applys some of his castle code as well we could get a nice Little "Necropolis". Such a place would be perfect for a adventurer if he could take it over.
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« Reply #82 on: May 13, 2011, 06:08:57 am »

So let us recap. This release will contain:

-Somewhat realistic towns and cities
-Sewers, dungeons and catacombs
-Curses
-Necromancers with sieging undead armies and a complete undead rewrite

Why is it that every release somehow manages to appear far better than the previous release?
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« Reply #83 on: May 13, 2011, 07:20:11 am »

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And [WALKS:LIKE_AN_EGYPTIAN], though that'll probably have to wait for mummies to be implemented.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #84 on: May 13, 2011, 07:51:14 am »

[WALKS:MOON]
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[WALKS:MC_HAMMER]

And [WALKS:LIKE_AN_EGYPTIAN], though that'll probably have to wait for mummies to be implemented.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2011, 08:13:05 am »

It feels like every new version gets darker and darker - call me an elf if you want, but I hope 'light' 'magic' gets some love at some point. Maybe not Rainbow Bright / Carebear levels of love, but maybe random charms for armies combating the evil forces of darkness in good biomes or something...

I hope so, the groundworks should already be in with the secrets and syndromes. Couldn't blessings just be polarized curses? And since the dwarves already are devoted to different dieties, I hope these will be fleshed out as well, to become more active in the shaping of a world. Unless they only exist in the minds of dwarves, that is.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2011, 08:53:48 am »

I wonder how dynamic this system will be.

If the player in adventure mode/armies in the future dwarf mode slaughter a village, will a necromancer be able to harvest their bodies / create an undead city while in-play? or will the necromancer rise be restricted in a short worldgen that happens between one adventure/fortress and the next one?

If this happens I'm guessing "release 5".
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2011, 09:07:14 am »

Maybe undead rising could be limited by:

-Being a low probability to begin with. (yet, corpses are patient customers)
-drastically reducing such chance of raising when in areas with light.
-requiring nearby necromancer(et.al.) in non-evil biomes.
-requiring an unbutchered corpse/bodypart to begin with. 
-dunno. . .a bug that lives only in evil biomes having access to the corpse/bodypart, that way (many) animal traps could limit infection of your corpse-dense fortress areas?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2011, 09:08:39 am »

You know what I am truly excited about? The fact that this release is probably going to be more the rule than the exception. I'm betting that every one of the next few "new content" release cycles is going to have a fun element in it that Toady is going to enjoy coding (and that we're going to enjoy him coding) to help get him through what is obviously a necessary-but-tedious set of releases.

We get crypts, and dungeons, and night creatures in this release. I am eagerly anticipating what we're going to be getting in the next few releases too.
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« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2011, 09:23:55 am »

You know what I am truly excited about? The fact that this release is probably going to be more the rule than the exception. I'm betting that every one of the next few "new content" release cycles is going to have a fun element in it that Toady is going to enjoy coding (and that we're going to enjoy him coding) to help get him through what is obviously a necessary-but-tedious set of releases.

We get crypts, and dungeons, and night creatures in this release. I am eagerly anticipating what we're going to be getting in the next few releases too.

Considering that we had a year and a half with no release for the material rewrite et all, I'm glad we are getting all sorts of !!FUN!! now.  I might actually start a fort in the new fort mode for something other than digging down to the bottom cavern or making steel armor.  I will definitely spend some time hunting down necromancers in adventure mode.  Having more to do than hunt down and kill megabeasts will be a nice improvement to adventure mode.
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