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Voting closed: November 17, 2011, 07:23:56 pm

[Loud Whispers]

The thread that started this madness.

Burned Bells the Blighted Oblivion
~Welcome to Guantanamo Bay12~

Spoiler: My Fortress. (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: The Story so far (click to show/hide)

The Dwarf King, unhappy with his subjects, and wary of the every increasing rate in which the Goblins and Humans were expanding, grew wary and yearned for a way to destroy them. However he was weakened from his wars with the elves and their demonic animals, and so sought a plan, a salvation in the Dwarviest way possible. Yet he lacked the resources to create doomsday weapons... In the quickest sense.

Struck by a peculiar strange mood, he sent his scouts far and wide, searching for the most hostile places known to Dwarf Kind. Volcanoes, oceans, precipitous mountains and scorching deserts, even going into the forbidden forests. But nothing was as horrific as the site of the BurnedBells. Atop a monstrous slab of ice, in a distant corner of the world, devoid of all life that didn't have teeth and red eyes, where every day there were blizzards, the wind howled at the Dwarves, bought into their bones, and nothing of worth was to be found - it almost seemed the whole Glacier rejected the dwarves. - Almost as if it was haunted.

It would be perfect.

Rounding up his selection criminals, the insane, the eligible and the 'volunteers' that had displeased him, he immediately sent them off to begin BurnedBells, the blighted Oblivion, and create his doomsday weapon.
A race of Dwarves, devoid of all flaws, rising from the ground of the harshest conditions possible, in a location where none would dare think to find life, hardened from constant war against nature and the cold of the arctics - These would be his new weapons against the world.
ONWARDS TO GUANTANAMO BAY12 WRETCHED DWARVES!

Spoiler: Warning, my NSFW attempt at getting Shorast and Errust to bunk in together ;P (click to show/hide)

The door is locked, there's one empty bedroom...

31 dwarves (give or take a few casualties) up for dorfing!

The starting map is located dead centre in a haunted glacier biome, with a portion of it containing an aquifer (I shall attempt to make it my water source), and all civs have access to mah location, which is kinda hilarious, I'm going to have elves marching across several continents just to waltz into my frozen corner of the world  .
The initial plan is to create a dead lock ice room above ground, where migrants will have to de-construct walls to get in:
1. So I can examine my new stock;
2. So I am uninterrupted by uninvited guests D:<
And once I've gotten a sizeable population, going to build an entire ice fortress .

[Made plans simple, because everyone knows no plan goes to plan in DF]

Spoiler: Starting map... Nutin but snow (click to show/hide)

That building is a wood furnace, making my own copper picks+battle axes

If you haven't read on from the thread comments, I am going to attempt to create an entire fortress run on Eugenics. I will attempt to breed all weaknesses out of the dwarves... And create the most perverse and physically strong race of SUPAH DWARVES evar.

Current census of dwarves

My end goal is to have dwarves with no weaknesses, susceptibility to illnesses, mental limitations, ALL OF IT GONE - Or better, ALL WITH MIGHTY STRENGTHS IN EVERYTHING!

MUAH HA HA HA HA HA.
I will keep everyone updated.

Also, any ideas to what I should do? My plan was to throw weak babies off cliffs, leave them in the scorching desert, into a volcano and into a river, but then I found this glacier and decided this would be the most !FUN! place to be - after all, what use would Uber dorfs be without something to "Test" on


Oh and early weak migrants will be used as farmers, a true Dorf Sparta. Problem is, I don't want my Strong Dwarves to breed with the weak, anyone know how I could solve this problem (without destroying my farmer populace, at least until strong dwarves can replace them)?

Spoiler: 6th Of Granite 23 A.U. - Loud Whispers journal (click to show/hide)

First blood goes to some white wolves, killed one dog, severly hospitalised many others... Literally RIGHT after I unpaused the screen shot of the starting map.
There's only one breeding pair now.

Fml.

Spoiler: 15th Of Haematite 23 (click to show/hide)

Deleted the long pages of white wolves killing my fortress, due to irrelevance after lost save.
Got walls up, and once I've gotten the first 2 migrant waves, the selective breeding begins!
Current population: 4 Dwarves

Spoiler: 7th Of Malachite 23 (click to show/hide)

Wow, haunted glaciers really are something


You might not be able to see, but a blizzard man walked right up to my fortress, and I never noticed until it was within charging distance of my dwarves, I am glad to have the walls up.

Spoiler: 28th Of malachite 23 (click to show/hide)

12 Dwarves, going to begin pairing and dividing them soon, going to try and make a sewer system to provide water to both sides of the fort.

Spoiler: 19th Of slate 23 (click to show/hide)

Finished the resevoir, building one for the farmer population, oh and farms have been BOOMING for some time. Shame it's impossible to grow above ground crops, once a tile has been exposed to light, all water on it instantly freezes. So no irrigation there
Oh and Shorast and Erush have gone from passing acquaintances to friends in their days locked together... Awww so cute :3
And shorast is hogging the bed D:<
And the igloo has been completed for quite a while now, but since I haven't found any weapons grade metals, trees or coal I cannot turn it into a total crossbow storm fort.
Damn dwarves won't clear all the snow up though >_>

Spoiler: 17th Of Felsite, 24 (click to show/hide)

Current population: 42
Attempting to pair off two of the dwarves which both have 0 weaknesses at all. Also, elves have arrived, and I dare say.


I was happy to see their yaks.
BOUNTIFUL LOGS! OH BEAUTIFUL LOGS!
[I didn't tell the elves what I intended to use them for of course:D]
It does beg the question, how the hell did the elves get to my pleasant corner of the world?
Dining room complete, adorned with beautiful ice that looks rather like adamantine.
Also creating farmer quarters, once everything's been dug out, I will wall all of the inferior's into the farming area.
Surprisingly, creating such a limited population has allowed even my inferior dwarves to live in more luxury then most of my forts.
I have a new dilemma, thinking of something to do with my uberdwarf race.

Spoiler: 24th Of haematite, 24 (click to show/hide)

Everything is attacking the Oblivion Igloo. Even evil cattle.
Oh and I robbed some elves, I hope they don't invade with lots and lots of elves
THE ICE WILL CLAIM YOUR ELVEN SOULS!!!

Spoiler: 18th Of Malachite, 24 (click to show/hide)

Success.

Now tu maek behbez.

Spoiler: 26th of Malachite, 24 (click to show/hide)

Wow. Plus, the first baby of the foul place! Happy days indeed.

[Defeatist Elitist]

As far as seperating your weak farming dwarves and Master Race dwarves, have you considered digging a hole from the farm area to the underground, then completely walling off your farming area and having the farmers throw the majority of the food through the whole (using garbage dumps)?  All you would really need in the farming complex would be the farms themselves and maybe a brewers (or not if you feel especially cruel).

  I suppose burrows might work too, but I've heard people have had a lot of trouble with them.

[The Master]

Master Race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszT_L4QWII

[Loud Whispers]

As far as seperating your weak farming dwarves and Master Race dwarves, have you considered digging a hole from the farm area to the underground, then completely walling off your farming area and having the farmers throw the majority of the food through the whole (using garbage dumps)?  All you would really need in the farming complex would be the farms themselves and maybe a brewers (or not if you feel especially cruel).

  I suppose burrows might work too, but I've heard people have had a lot of trouble with them.

You, you evil minded forumite, honestly need a cookie.

Also, update on the fortress, might have to reclaim, first death of a dwarf by the ice wolves, vicious things numbering in the seemingly hundreds D:<

And one dwarf tantrum'd, killing two of the 7 dwarves in their sleep, giving me a total of 4 very miserable dwarves. I'm hanging on to it with all I can, but it is looking more and more grim as the frozen corpses stack.
[I'm not kidding, it's kinda cool there's even frozen blood everywhere]
At least I'm having a !!FUN!! start

[Rentorian]

You're going to need much more intricate uses of burrows to really pull off what you want.
It's a sort of selective breeding right?  Get the best dwarves to breed with the best dwarves.
Therefore you'll need at least three different warrens:
The first one will have the dwarven equivalent of the helots, your filthy farmers.  Just throw them somewhere that they can't leave from and that they can drop the food they harvest down to the superior dwarves levels.  On a side note when they came of age spartans supposedly proved their manliness by sneaking around on the night of their adulthood and killing as many Helots as they could without getting caught, just sayin' , in case you get bored. 
One burrow will contain lots of food and nothing to work on, this is where you'll put the dwarves you want to try and breed together.  Get them to spend enough time together and you'll know whether or not they'll get married.  You could even create multiple matchmaker burrows so as to maximize your shipping potential.  If anyone hasn't done any !PSYCHOLOGY! in regards to marriage this will be a great time to add that to your experiments, how to force dwarves to get married to the ones you want them to and how long it takes.
The final burrow will contain your breeding stock, these will be the dwarves that are already married and just have to focus on popping out kids for future generations.  If the child is unsatisfactory you could remove him from the breeding stock burrow and set up a job for him to do on the surface, maybe have a single stone wall that he'll have to deconstruct.  Cancel the job when he reaches the surface and lock the door or pull up the gate or whatever and have the parents watch as their child gets torn apart by ice wolves.  This is what you get for creating sub-par children, now go make another one.
Actually you might need a fourth burrow for your perfect dwarves.  Can't let them mingle with lesser creatures right?

[Loud Whispers]

You're going to need much more intricate uses of burrows to really pull off what you want.
It's a sort of selective breeding right?  Get the best dwarves to breed with the best dwarves.
Therefore you'll need at least three different warrens:
The first one will have the dwarven equivalent of the helots, your filthy farmers.  Just throw them somewhere that they can't leave from and that they can drop the food they harvest down to the superior dwarves levels.  On a side note when they came of age spartans supposedly proved their manliness by sneaking around on the night of their adulthood and killing as many Helots as they could without getting caught, just sayin' , in case you get bored. 
One burrow will contain lots of food and nothing to work on, this is where you'll put the dwarves you want to try and breed together.  Get them to spend enough time together and you'll know whether or not they'll get married.  You could even create multiple matchmaker burrows so as to maximize your shipping potential.  If anyone hasn't done any !PSYCHOLOGY! in regards to marriage this will be a great time to add that to your experiments, how to force dwarves to get married to the ones you want them to and how long it takes.
The final burrow will contain your breeding stock, these will be the dwarves that are already married and just have to focus on popping out kids for future generations.  If the child is unsatisfactory you could remove him from the breeding stock burrow and set up a job for him to do on the surface, maybe have a single stone wall that he'll have to deconstruct.  Cancel the job when he reaches the surface and lock the door or pull up the gate or whatever and have the parents watch as their child gets torn apart by ice wolves.  This is what you get for creating sub-par children, now go make another one.
Actually you might need a fourth burrow for your perfect dwarves.  Can't let them mingle with lesser creatures right?

Ha ha, I don't think I'll be able to get Dorf Crypteia without modding anything... Also not all of the spartans, just the good graduates xP
Plus, I don't think I'll be able to do a PROPER spartan caste system with the way Dorfs are, in my previous one, the Military dwarves were unhappy from long drafts and little work, and proceeded to slaughter the whole fortress >_>

I think keeping every dwarf separate, and only calling them to do certain jobs when required should keep them all separate, then I could force a good pair to get acquainted, and hopefully move in together xP

I was not programmed to understand Dwarven peer bonding

I really like the idea of sending unsatisfactory children above ground where the ice wolves are... Prove their worthiness in the wilderness! MUAH HA HA HA HA

>Toughest survive? I'd assume having to throttle many Ice wolves a day would make dwarf children strong. It's going to be interesting to see how the genetic system works, I wonder if there are priorities to weaknesses and strengths carried on, or if they are nullified after a while.

[ztyler]

Yup, this already sounds like a boatload of !!FUN!!

[NRDL]

I have dreamed of someone doing something like this for a VERY long time. 

Get yourself an avatar dorf, name him after yourself, have him become the head scientist or whatever.  If you need to do a reclaim, that's fine.  In fact, it would allow you to specialize your dwarves more. 

Anyway, if you reclaim, match up the dwarves with the best stats, and personalities, and kill the rest.  This really relies on reclaim, I guess, so if you want to continue this fort, just try to survive and keep us posted.  The experiments will have to wait. 

[ThatAussieGuy]

Why do I get the feeling this discussion is going to go mermaid-shaped very quickly in it's despicable acts in the name of a master dwarf race? 

[Rentorian]

Why do I get the feeling this discussion is going to go mermaid-shaped very quickly in it's despicable acts in the name of a master dwarf race?

As a bay12 discussion grows longer, the probability of horrible mental scarring approaches one.
     -Urist McGodwin

[bayar]

Aww, you stole my idea. Anyway, you should have a room for every dwarf, designate it with burrows and keep them locked separately until you find a suitable pair. Move those to larger rooms with beds, chairs, tables and supply of booze/food. Lock the door and forget about them for a while.

You might not find the perfect stock immediately, so try to weed out only a part of the deficiencies, then try to crossbreed the next generation to dilute the remaining deficiencies.

Send the weakest ones near the surface to farm or wrestle ice wolves or something. Farming / cooking / hunting might be their best career choice since then they might at least live a life as opposed to being purged from the gene pool. Keeping them separate from your breeding stock will also prevent tantrum spirals occuring to important dwarves. although, make sure they still have things to keep them happy once the elders start dying off. Else, you might lose your test subjects.

[peregarrett]

Hell, I'm in!
First of all, who we count to be a proper specie? There's set of personality traits and attributes, which ones are guided by genetics?

Whatever, we need to describe our UberDwarf in terms of these values.

EDIT: As for attributes, I suggest to aim for maxing all of them.
As for personal traits, I think we should discuss... Or make several experiments at once - super-reliable calm generous friendly dwarf, or nervous raging paranoid sociopath.

[FearfulJesuit]

An excellent idea, sir. We shall create our race of Überdwarves for the morrow!

[Loud Whispers]

Hell, I'm in!
First of all, who we count to be a proper specie? There's set of personality traits and attributes, which ones are guided by genetics?

Whatever, we need to describe our UberDwarf in terms of these values.

EDIT: As for attributes, I suggest to aim for maxing all of them.
As for personal traits, I think we should discuss... Or make several experiments at once - super-reliable calm generous friendly dwarf, or nervous raging paranoid sociopath.

Uberdwarf? Step 1: Find dwarf pair with no flaws, that way, I can find out if their child will gain attributes, lose them, or even learn them.
Step 2: Start breeding strengths in. Also, I wonder if strengths cancel flaws in children?
Step 3: Start combining the super dwarves, until I have the most mentally and physically superior dwarf race EVAR.

By this point, the dwarves will arm themselves, kill the insane dwarves which will undoubtedly gather above ground, then it will get dorfy

I think having the children in a nursery area would be nice, and sending weak children to the wolves would be !!FUN!!, but I think having individual housing units where a breeding pair can be acquainted from childhood would be just splendid, and I'm wondering if I could find a way to make the weak children insane and fight the physically superior ones. Any ideas? Plus, if I waited for the weak children to grow up, I could send them into the Arctic, where they would be able to turn the ice wolves into edible meat.
Oh, and this will all be done in the vanilla, no exploits or mods ^_^

[bayar]

Corral the genetically impure children in a different room with beds food and stuff. Let them grow into adulthood then send them to prove themselves against the Ice wolves to prove their worth.